From: Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Cc: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Linux manpages (was Re: [musl] Request for volunteers)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:50:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130709165041.GT29800@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1373388169.27613.31@driftwood>
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 11:42:49AM -0500, Rob Landley wrote:
> >See https://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/todo.html#migrate_to_kernel_source
> >I think it would be a retrograde step to split syscall pages into
> >Sections 2 and 3. Users want to get the documentation in one place.
> >Note that the approach in man-pages (consolidating info on the syscall
> >plus any libc additions in one page) is not unique to Linux. From some
> >(offlist) discussions with the BSD man pages maintainers, it appears
> >that at least some (all?) of the BSDs do the same.
>
> Document what the syscall does, and then have wrapper behavior
> listed in the "deviant glibc-specific perversions" section?
Usually the difference between sections 2 and 3 is not "deviant
glibc-specific perversions" but "workarounds for kernel bugs that
won't be fixed because of the policy of maintaining stable syscall
API/ABI".
> Syscall wrappers in Section 2 make sense, it _is_ a syscall, and
> most wrappers should be NOPs.
None of the ones that are cancellation points can be pure wrappers. If
nothing else, they must handle cancellation. That covers a big chunk
already.
> The objection is not documenting what
> the actual syscall does (when you can call it via syscall(), or get
> the raw behavior when using klibc).
I agree it would be useful to have this information, but with limited
resources and the issue of confusing developers who get section 2 by
default then have to look again in section 3 for the man page they
actually wanted, I can see where it's probably preferable to maintain
the status quo, leaving the 2/3 split based on the historical
expectation of whether the function was a "syscall" or "library
function", and documenting Linux syscall deviations from the public
interface as part of the combined man page.
Rich
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-07-09 16:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-07-01 17:44 Request for volunteers Felix Janda
2013-07-02 1:08 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-07-06 21:52 ` Linux manpages (was Re: [musl] Request for volunteers) Isaac
2013-07-06 22:12 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-07-06 23:04 ` Justin Cormack
2013-07-07 0:03 ` Rich Felker
2013-07-09 0:18 ` Michael Kerrisk
2013-07-09 2:36 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-09 2:53 ` Rich Felker
2013-07-09 5:28 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-07-10 19:39 ` Rob Landley
2013-07-09 16:42 ` Rob Landley
2013-07-09 16:50 ` Rich Felker [this message]
2013-07-26 19:20 ` status of POSIX man pages? (was: " Isaac
2013-09-06 12:23 ` Re: status of POSIX man pages? John Spencer
2013-09-08 6:05 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2013-09-09 4:44 ` John Spencer
2013-09-09 5:29 ` Anthony J. Bentley
2013-09-09 5:40 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-09-19 2:58 ` Rob Landley
2013-09-19 9:54 ` John Spencer
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