From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/4069 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rich Felker Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: GLOB_BRACE Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:23:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20130926182309.GS20515@brightrain.aerifal.cx> References: <20130916125049.GG20515@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <1379945328.1974.50@driftwood> <524051AD.8070008@gentoo.org> <20130923150323.GH20515@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <5243AB8E.1070706@gentoo.org> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380219804 31931 80.91.229.3 (26 Sep 2013 18:23:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 18:23:24 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-4073-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Thu Sep 26 20:23:28 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VPGDl-0008Au-Gl for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:23:25 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 24165 invoked by uid 550); 26 Sep 2013 18:23:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 24157 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2013 18:23:23 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5243AB8E.1070706@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:4069 Archived-At: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 05:35:42AM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: > On 26/09/13 00:46, Paul Schutte wrote: > > "For us, things are easy. systemd is not meeting a need or doing > > anything better than the much simpler, more reliable tools we already > > have." > > > > Can you guys maybe point me in the direction of these tools please ? > > http://smarden.org/runit/ (process supervising and init replacement) > http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Eudev (device management) > http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev (device management, the other way) > http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC (init coordination, runs everywhere) > > Depending on the part of systemd you care for. > > Once I have more time and/or people/resources I might overhaul > consolekit as seatd to provide an alternative logind with a funnier name. It should be noted that runit, and the runit replacements I've seen, are still quite bloated compared to what they actually could/should be, and are probably also lacking in robustness. I see them more as "the right direction" than the end goal. Rich