From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/4266 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Szabolcs Nagy Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Pending patches/issues before 0.9.15 release? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 23:54:41 +0100 Message-ID: <20131121225440.GI1685@port70.net> References: <20131121013056.GA2128@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <528DD529.4030408@skarnet.org> <20131121163911.GP24286@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <528E5EB9.1080400@skarnet.org> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385074488 16539 80.91.229.3 (21 Nov 2013 22:54:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:54:48 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-4270-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Thu Nov 21 23:54:53 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjd9B-0007Qz-Dr for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 23:54:53 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 18240 invoked by uid 550); 21 Nov 2013 22:54:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 18232 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2013 22:54:52 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <528E5EB9.1080400@skarnet.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:4266 Archived-At: * Laurent Bercot [2013-11-21 19:27:53 +0000]: > The short version of what right/ timezones are is explained here: > http://www.madore.org/~david/computers/unix-leap-seconds.html#tai-minus-= 10 according to the official tzdata code the "right/" directory is obsolete and different path is used for this now "The advantage of this scheme is that TAI=E2=88=9210 uniquely refers to an instant in time, and the difference between two such values determines the interval between these instants" is not true, a single time coordinate cannot uniquely refer to an instant in time (TAI only specifies the frame of reference since 1977, before that it was largely nonsense and after that it only measures the time somewhat accurately for observers at sea level in rest, but eg outside the gravity well of earth it is off by 22ms/year) even in classical physics, a clock source with precise ticks is not usable for representing dates because the rotation of the earth is not exactly periodic (by which dates are defined) so using the absolute time coordinate of an observational frame of reference for date keeping seems to be rather futile > The difference between glibc and musl is 25 seconds, not 35 as I wrote, > which seems to indicate that musl's gmtime()/localtime() does not take le= ap > second tables, which are defined in right/ timezones, into account. > I would really love that to be fixed - maybe not for 0.9.15, but for 0.9= =2E16 > if possible, because I'm a hardcore TAI-10 user. knowing that TAI is non-conforming you need to provide a strong use-case for it