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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Explaining cond var destroy [Re: [musl] C threads, v3.0]
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 15:14:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140808191405.GP1674@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1407489627.24324.419.camel@eris.loria.fr>

On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:20:27AM +0200, Jens Gustedt wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 07.08.2014, 13:25 -0400 schrieb Rich Felker:
> > Most futex operations (including wait) access an object for read. Some
> > rarely-used ones write to an object too. Wake does neither. Wake is
> > purely an operation on the address/futex-waitqueue-object. This
> > property is not just a side effect but absolutely necessary in order
> > for futex to be useful, since you _always_ perform the futex wake
> > after releasing (and thereby potentially allowing destruction) of the
> > object.
> 
> I agree with almost all what you are saying, in particular the
> facts, ;) and your statement is a good summary of what I learned with
> our discussion.

I think I may have a solution you'll like:

We can perform the release of the lock via a compare-and-swap rather
than a simple swap. In this way, we can know before releasing the lock
whether it's going to require a wake or not:

- If waiters was zero and the cas from owned/uncontended to zero
  succeeds, no futex wake operation is needed.

- If waiters was nonzero, or if the cas fails (thereby instead
  requiring a cas from owned/contended to zero), we can do the
  following:

Don't use a userspace CAS to release; this would allow the lock to be
acquired by another thread, released, destroyed, and freed before the
futex wake is performed. Instead, use FUTEX_WAKE_OP to atomically
perform the atomic assignment and futex wake.

Do you see any problems with this approach? I think it fully solves
the problem. If there are old kernels that lack FUTEX_WAKE_OP, we
could fallback to emulating it in userspace for those (with the
spurious wake issue). I think this approach may also also allow me to
resolve an issue that's preventing me from eliminating a lot of
useless FUTEX_WAKE syscalls under certain contention patterns, but I'm
not sure yet.

Rich


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-08-08 19:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-04  9:30 C threads, v3.0 Jens Gustedt
2014-08-04  9:33 ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-04 14:50 ` Rich Felker
2014-08-04 16:48   ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-04 17:06     ` Rich Felker
2014-08-04 22:16       ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-04 22:36         ` Rich Felker
2014-08-06  3:52 ` Explaining cond var destroy [Re: [musl] C threads, v3.0] Rich Felker
2014-08-06  8:43   ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-06  9:41     ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-06 10:03       ` Rich Felker
2014-08-06 10:32         ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-06 16:15           ` Rich Felker
2014-08-06 16:56             ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-06 17:32               ` Rich Felker
2014-08-06 20:55                 ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-06 22:04                   ` Rich Felker
2014-08-06 22:43                     ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-06 23:15                       ` Rich Felker
2014-08-07  7:50                         ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-07 10:52                           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2014-08-07 11:03                             ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-07 16:13                           ` Rich Felker
2014-08-07 16:47                             ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-07 17:25                               ` Rich Felker
2014-08-08  9:20                                 ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-08 16:53                                   ` Rich Felker
2014-08-08 19:14                                   ` Rich Felker [this message]
2014-08-08 20:48                                     ` Rich Felker
2014-08-09  6:47                                       ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-12  2:50                                         ` Rich Felker
2014-08-12  7:04                                           ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-12 16:01                                             ` Rich Felker
2014-08-12 19:09                                               ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-12 21:18                                                 ` Rich Felker
2014-08-13  6:43                                                   ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-13  7:19                                                     ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-06  9:50     ` Rich Felker

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