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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: My current understanding of cond var access restrictions
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:36:15 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140814153615.GB12888@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140814144110.GY12888@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:41:10AM -0400, Rich Felker wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:00:04AM +0200, Jens Gustedt wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, den 14.08.2014, 02:10 -0400 schrieb Rich Felker:
> > > I think I have an informal proof sketch that this is necessary unless
> > > we abandon requeue:
> > 
> > > ...
> > 
> > > With that in mind, I'd like to look for ways we can fix the bogus
> > > waiter accounting for the mutex that seems to be the source of the bug
> > > you found. One "obvious" (but maybe bad/wrong?) solution would be to
> > > put the count on the mutex at the time of waiting (rather than moving
> > > it there as part of broadcast), so that decrementing the mutex waiter
> > > count is always the right thing to do in unwait.
> > 
> > sounds like a good idea, at least for correctness
> > 
> > > Of course this
> > > possibly results in lots of spurious futex wakes to the mutex (every
> > > time it's unlocked while there are waiters on the cv, which could be a
> > > lot).
> > 
> > I we'd be more careful in not spreading too much wakes where we
> > shouldn't, there would perhaps not be "a lot" of such wakeups.
> 
> Well this is different from the wake-after-release that you dislike.
> It's a wake on a necessarily-valid object that just doesn't have any
> actual waiters right now because its potential-waiters are still
> waiting on the cv.
> 
> However I think it may be costly (one syscall per unlock) in
> applications where mutex is used to protect state that's frequently
> modified but where the predicate associated with the cv only rarely
> changes (and thus signaling is rare and cv waiters wait around a long
> time). In what's arguably the common case (a reasonable number of
> waiters as opposed to thousands of waiters on a 4-core box) just
> waking all waiters on broadcast would be a lot less expensive.
> 
> Thus I'm skeptical of trying an approach like this when it would be
> easier, and likely less costly on the common usage cases, just to
> remove requeue and always use broadcast wakes. I modified your test
> case for the bug to use a process-shared cv (using broadcast wake),
> and as expected, the test runs with no failure.

A really ugly hack that might solve the problem: adaptively switching
to a less efficient mode the first time a different mutex is used. It
could either switch to pre-moving wait counts to the mutex, or revert
to broadcast wakes.

Rich


  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-14 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-13 21:23 Rich Felker
2014-08-13 23:20 ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-14  2:19   ` Rich Felker
2014-08-14  7:41     ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-14  6:10   ` Rich Felker
2014-08-14  8:00     ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-14 14:41       ` Rich Felker
2014-08-14 15:36         ` Rich Felker [this message]
2014-08-14 16:27         ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-14 16:58           ` Rich Felker
2014-08-14 18:12             ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-14 18:23               ` Rich Felker
2014-08-14 20:47                 ` Jens Gustedt
2014-08-14 22:22                   ` Rich Felker

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