From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/6765 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Natanael Copa Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Call for ideas for future musl-related talks Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:12:52 +0100 Message-ID: <20141231081252.667622a3@ncopa-desktop.alpinelinux.org> References: <20141215050432.GA20413@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20141229002929.GC3156@port70.net> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1420009998 14021 80.91.229.3 (31 Dec 2014 07:13:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: musl@lists.openwall.com To: Szabolcs Nagy Original-X-From: musl-return-6778-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Wed Dec 31 08:13:12 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6DSx-00057l-Iz for gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:13:11 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 32130 invoked by uid 550); 31 Dec 2014 07:13:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 32122 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2014 07:13:09 -0000 In-Reply-To: <20141229002929.GC3156@port70.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.0 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-alpine-linux-musl) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:6765 Archived-At: On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 01:29:30 +0100 Szabolcs Nagy wrote: > * Justin Cormack [2014-12-28 16:24:43 +0000]: > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Rich Felker wrote: > > > If there's anything special you'd like to hear me give a talk on, > > > or think would be constructive to the project, reply and let me > > > know. ... > my whishlist is > > - why do posix and c matter in the age of web/mobile/cloud +1 This could maybe include a few words on why standards in general matter at all. (for example even the big company that gave us Internet Explorer 6 realizes that it hurts themselves to not follow html standard in the long run.) I think this is a topic that people need to hear. Why standards are good and why its a bad idea to let one implementation rule them all and be the "standard" that all other implementations should mimic. Imagine if all browsers should follow the IE 6 implementation of html/css. At that time it maybe looked like a good idea to use all the extra features to have your product compete with those who aimed for "lowest common denominator" feature set - but today most people that depends on a browser realize that was a bad idea in the long run. > - good/bad/ugly parts of posix/linux/toolchain from libc pov > > - metrics (benchmarks, size, complexity, amount of libc code > executed in various use-cases, time spent in libc, etc)