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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: thoughts on reallocarray, explicit_bzero?
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:15:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150129041509.GN4574@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPDERwo886JY55T9hokUeNiV9dHBxTmZaSTq82WBQun+pLqouw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:03:33PM -0600, Brent Cook wrote:
> >> > Linux kernel has similar functions and uses a barrier() here:
> >> >
> >> > https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/lib/string.c?id=refs/tags/v3.19-rc6#n600
> >> >
> >> > https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/include/linux/compiler.h?id=refs/tags/v3.19-rc6#n162
> >> >
> >> > Is such a solution is more correct (and still portable)?
> >>
> >> I'm afraid that the only appropriate solution is to use memset_s()
> >> from C11 and the expectation that the compiler will accept it.
> >> barrier() does not give any guarantee that this function will be
> >> secure. Only compiler decides. I'm afraid that OpenBSD goes bad path
> >> with explicit_bzero(). The same applies to the linux kernel and
> >> memzero_explicit().. very stupid name...
> >
> > I see no way memset_s is technically "better". It's unable to find and
> > clear other temporary copies that have been made, and the barrier
> > method described above already reliably clears the pointed-to copy.
> 
> Whatever method you choose, the method of testing is an interesting
> one, since seeing if the compiler optimized out a memset (because the
> memory was not read after a write) requires tricking the compiler into
> believing you aren't reading it. This test is pretty cool, IMO:
> 
> https://github.com/libressl-portable/openbsd/blob/master/src/regress/lib/libc/explicit_bzero/explicit_bzero.c
> 
> it is described a bit more here:
> https://plus.google.com/+MatthewDempsky/posts/KQHFBouxurX

The comment that pthread_attr_setstack could be used instead is
interesting and would make the test a lot simpler, I think.

> Getting around link-time optimizations required building the
> explicit_bzero function with independent compiler flags to ensure LTO
> was not enabled.

As long as there's a barrier, LTO is no problem. The asm is a black
box that's required to see the results of memset, since the address of
the object reaches the asm, and the only way to ensure that such a
black box sees the writes is for them to actually be performed.

Rich


  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-29  4:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-19 15:31 Isaac Dunham
2014-05-19 15:43 ` Rich Felker
2014-05-19 16:19   ` Daniel Cegiełka
2014-05-20  6:19     ` Rich Felker
2014-05-20 15:50       ` Daniel Cegiełka
2014-05-19 15:44 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2014-05-19 16:16   ` Rich Felker
2014-05-19 16:30     ` Daniel Cegiełka
2014-05-19 16:32     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2015-01-28 22:01     ` Daniel Cegiełka
2015-01-28 22:34       ` Daniel Cegiełka
2015-01-28 22:38         ` Nathan McSween
2015-01-28 22:54           ` Daniel Cegiełka
2015-01-28 23:02             ` Josiah Worcester
2015-01-29  2:19         ` Rich Felker
2015-01-29  4:03           ` Brent Cook
2015-01-29  4:15             ` Rich Felker [this message]
2015-01-29  9:30               ` Daniel Cegiełka
2015-01-29 10:04                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2015-01-29 10:31                   ` Daniel Cegiełka
2015-01-29 10:54                   ` Daniel Cegiełka
2014-05-19 16:25 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2014-05-19 16:45   ` Daniel Cegiełka
2014-05-19 16:58     ` Rich Felker
2014-05-19 16:55   ` Rich Felker
2014-05-19 18:12     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2014-05-19 22:08   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-20  0:41     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2014-06-11  9:59   ` Thorsten Glaser
2014-06-11 12:59     ` Rich Felker

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