From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/7036 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Isaac Dunham Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: What would make musl 1.2? Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:35:09 +0000 Message-ID: <20150214203508.GA1451@newbook> References: <20150213074603.GA975@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20150214000655.GB1452@newbook> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423946125 10625 80.91.229.3 (14 Feb 2015 20:35:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:35:25 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-7049-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Sat Feb 14 21:35:19 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YMjQt-0002Mt-6J for gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:35:19 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 24429 invoked by uid 550); 14 Feb 2015 20:35:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 24373 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2015 20:35:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=A/j1mX9jDm8g45Z3NRq1Vze/lfOZg7ke0WZA+eclOgk=; b=ehvPkft4Y1I02oQPuoNBC6Ih3oUAp4pzdiGUI9Atq6ghlYozrnImuqi0oQ2j98oDIg wAT1c7/ybl3pVKuDC7K8V8YJmtSyYFduBMmzgmQzGNWbsDrnChNojXAyOzslA4A6IW0c Qcz4q2oXhYXr/eQsZIWxSlvaFO5NuUol/2haOIIyW2OtpIlsc48ropdpE0f0Ija2bfuD 6P1j0lhKMdfYF0YxFP3+3MYrk4s3/uD4kZIa7dge8OPCr8S4/+Ohn9ubtaADMjJh1rIV +N2W4iseWsaszbSitvRlQ3nU/oZG+IVoQrZ4BdCra+9e2QYc4T19E3e+RT+XZZghvgeN DhDg== X-Received: by 10.70.47.131 with SMTP id d3mr26422109pdn.86.1423946100943; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:35:00 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:7036 Archived-At: On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 10:23:53AM +0000, Justin Cormack wrote: > On 14 February 2015 at 00:06, Isaac Dunham wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:09:55AM +0000, Justin Cormack wrote: > >> mips n64 - there is a bit of cheap hardware around (Cavium stuff), but > >> fairly niche at present, although recent Android supports it and > >> Imagination seems to be promoting it more. Maybe they could be > >> persuaded to sponsor mips ports? > > > > They came out with a new MIPS64 processor design recently (no hardware > > is available yet), and the latest version of Android features MIPS64 > > support. IIRC, Alexandru Voica commented that it usually takes a little > > under 2 years from design release to hardware on the market. > > > > I'd like to use musl on mips64, though I'm just a hobbyist and I've > > not yet found the cheap hardware to which you refer. > > The cheap hardware easily available is: > Edgerouter lite http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/ > (note the full ethernet performance requires binary blobs, and the USB > is fussy about what storage it will accept, so it is a bit annoying). > they make higher end hardware too. Thanks! I suppose that it's probably not really viable to hook up a powered USB hub and some...other hardware. > All the Chinese mips chips (Loongson) are 64 bit. I dont recommend the > old 2F models (really odd instruction set) but the Loongson 3 ones > sound better. Apparently you can get them as systems/boards from China > for not too much and the newer ones are decent specs. I havent yet > tried this yet but may do. See the loongson-dev list for details eg > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/loongson-dev/loongson-3a$20mainboard/loongson-dev/twzd5TBz_1k/fZnJs5Xf_6QJ Ah yes. Loongson 2F is the one that had some bug where one instruction could cause random segfaults (use -mfix-loongson-2f-nop to avoid it - I suppose this should be in the flags for mips64el). Even the new ones are far from competing with a new high-end PC, but they look to be in a similar league with my Thinkpad X100e in performance (though some have far more cores). They actually use the same southbridge and integrated graphics. > I am hoping that now Imagination have realised that devs need hardware > there will be a 64 bit dev board in the next year or so, especially as > there was huge demand for the 32 bit one > http://blog.imgtec.com/powervr/mips-creator-ci20-development-board-now-available > - mine just arrived a couple of days ago. Neat! There's been a bit of interest expressed in a 64-bit board, but the comment I referred to seemed to imply it might be a little over a year to get a Warrior-based 64-bit system out. Thanks, Isaac Dunham