From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/7044 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jukka_Jyl=C3=A4nki?= Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Please consider setting up a bug tracker? Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:22:32 +0200 Message-ID: Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c0987ce27d26050f220999 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1424013781 20344 80.91.229.3 (15 Feb 2015 15:23:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:23:01 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-7057-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Sun Feb 15 16:22:53 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YN125-0000cE-6p for gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:22:53 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 24417 invoked by uid 550); 15 Feb 2015 15:22:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 24292 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2015 15:22:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CN7MIi2PiN14cGsPo98Ga/zYbJFi+ythDwrIvF34L2c=; b=jZ5v/TFiuebhxMlxofDTp0OI3Ja/6VniLm1uLWEbk3jjGgMewOKZxXXxCiOGnOiTEN 65AJz1pjTM+4TQHxjiQoTzhSCfJOxjRBPWfJc3IByrBy0zgp4HNe8llBAHsgLpvMEYv3 1URejWGMmmoQZw705POIyhR8RRWOfdk0yE2KiLqcMYfYCMGo5SUnpU4aPUw436n0HfOn c6+sFKMDjeGIa1TPgvCrVj4gLODxiiWmb2HdOiZaaUn0bOXLIn9LoSWs4b16IxMyHJW1 BdUuZpKHmrjYmWzhE/zkREyqI4K791pJxNwQ8VwYKn1uSsaOOMyNDp6EjBYiAGQFdJi7 0jmg== X-Received: by 10.140.16.177 with SMTP id 46mr45556611qgb.22.1424013752694; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 07:22:32 -0800 (PST) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:7044 Archived-At: --001a11c0987ce27d26050f220999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I just recently registered to the musl mailing list to report a bug, since the FAQ here http://www.musl-libc.org/faq.html mentioned that there is no separate tracker to report bugs to. Afterwards, I now realize that this was a bad idea, since the sheer amount of uninteresting emails that I began getting make it difficult to filter out the discussion around musl from the potential discussion to the bug I reported, and I find it simplest to unregister from the mailing list after reporting the bug. However, this kind of "fire and forget" bug reporting feels bad, and I lose the way to keep in touch with the communication around the bug. I see that the issue of setting up a bug tracker has already been discussed before here http://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2014/09/05/1 . Has anything changed with this respect? My recommendation would be to just set up a github repository and use the github workflow of issues and pull requests for development, since that is extremely popular for modern open source development and works well also for non-core developers to chime in to the fun. All the best to musl, it rocks! Jukka --001a11c0987ce27d26050f220999 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I just recently registered to the m= usl mailing list to report a bug, since the FAQ here=C2=A0http://www.musl-libc.org/faq.html mentione= d that there is no separate tracker to report bugs to.

=
Afterwards, I now realize that this was a bad idea, since the sheer am= ount of uninteresting emails that I began getting make it difficult to filt= er out the discussion around musl from the potential discussion to the bug = I reported, and I find it simplest to unregister from the mailing list afte= r reporting the bug. However, this kind of "fire and forget" bug = reporting feels bad, and I lose the way to keep in touch with the communica= tion around the bug.

I see that the issue of setti= ng up a bug tracker has already been discussed before here=C2=A0http://www.openwall.com/li= sts/musl/2014/09/05/1 . Has anything changed with this respect?

My recommendation would be to just set up a github reposi= tory and use the github workflow of issues and pull requests for developmen= t, since that is extremely popular for modern open source development and w= orks well also for non-core developers to chime in to the fun.
All the best to musl, it rocks!
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Jukka

--001a11c0987ce27d26050f220999-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/7045 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rich Felker Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Please consider setting up a bug tracker? Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:16:09 -0500 Message-ID: <20150215161609.GQ23507@brightrain.aerifal.cx> References: Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1424016994 4606 80.91.229.3 (15 Feb 2015 16:16:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:16:34 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-7058-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Sun Feb 15 17:16:29 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YN1rw-0004Jk-Ut for gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:16:29 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 20332 invoked by uid 550); 15 Feb 2015 16:16:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 20275 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2015 16:16:22 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Original-Sender: Rich Felker Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:7045 Archived-At: On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 05:22:32PM +0200, Jukka Jylänki wrote: > Hi, > > I just recently registered to the musl mailing list to report a bug, since > the FAQ here http://www.musl-libc.org/faq.html mentioned that there is no > separate tracker to report bugs to. > > Afterwards, I now realize that this was a bad idea, since the sheer amount > of uninteresting emails that I began getting make it difficult to filter > out the discussion around musl from the potential discussion to the bug I > reported, and I find it simplest to unregister from the mailing list after > reporting the bug. However, this kind of "fire and forget" bug reporting > feels bad, and I lose the way to keep in touch with the communication > around the bug. > > I see that the issue of setting up a bug tracker has already been discussed > before here http://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2014/09/05/1 . Has anything > changed with this respect? No, but I want a bug/patch tracker more than ever right now. There have been a lot of patches (and a few bug reports) coming in lately and it's hard to keep track of them all manually. So far bugzilla is probably the main candidate, but I also looked at a few others. I'd welcome input on what works well (both from a user standpoint and from an implementation-quality/hosting-considerations standpoint). As for having to subscribe to the list right now, you don't need to. You can report bugs as a non-subscriber. Mail goes to a moderation queue but I'll approve it. Please just include a note if you want to be CC'd on replies. > My recommendation would be to just set up a github repository and use the > github workflow of issues and pull requests for development, since that is > extremely popular for modern open source development and works well also > for non-core developers to chime in to the fun. Not going to happen. github is utterly hideous to work with. It's slow as molasses (the web ui), often down, and doesn't integrate well with other tools. They also have the absolute worst web-based git repo browser, which is completely unjustifiable when the best one (cgit) is free and essentially included with git. Rich From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/7046 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jukka_Jyl=C3=A4nki?= Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Please consider setting up a bug tracker? Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:32:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20150215161609.GQ23507@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1136e84ac517c9050f23032e X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1424017977 19749 80.91.229.3 (15 Feb 2015 16:32:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:32:57 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-7059-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Sun Feb 15 17:32:48 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YN27k-0002oV-6a for gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:32:48 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 7601 invoked by uid 550); 15 Feb 2015 16:32:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 7494 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2015 16:32:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=J0KSFdVZIs1TZ7I2nn33ZSaWB11HcK1+viwenREtJtc=; b=bSHw/VbuFIrTvVd8alKeU1UqJzEv4odr28Tl/E5MoIPudmQK6f9TTp3cS/QqBh0LYN WXSvR4t6qxeRbdD+JzLhfZa/Kfr5BDNvFHf+6vNnkIsepWvuCFqTi/hFLgONFkVNzSwe fE+w29QmbzpyA9hcrroXPBuYYEKvi+buTytNiudCCYj3YLZnw1aZ7ksfiDHhwYxkWkbI kwCUQxIjUL7dFImOfkQg6TRyFaHOf24xJEMtFumHBhCKIGbQvGLljI2fGvVMkh1iDbGI vJB3KYegqGXLCKyPB6bIDN5j/lgjNJd+h7MHDmmerxdSyj9uCJrUb+e14XWDVBTLnyvL xLYg== X-Received: by 10.140.144.205 with SMTP id 196mr5818813qhq.53.1424017945071; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 08:32:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20150215161609.GQ23507@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:7046 Archived-At: --001a1136e84ac517c9050f23032e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, submitting without registering to the list sounds good, I'll do that then. As for github, adjectives like "utterly hideous", "slow as molasses" and "often down" are of course subjective opinions, so I don't have any say on that, but can I ask what kind of integration limitations it has that are needed? Also, I haven't used cgit - what makes it better than GitHub in your opinion? 2015-02-15 18:16 GMT+02:00 Rich Felker : > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 05:22:32PM +0200, Jukka Jyl=C3=A4nki wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just recently registered to the musl mailing list to report a bug, > since > > the FAQ here http://www.musl-libc.org/faq.html mentioned that there is > no > > separate tracker to report bugs to. > > > > Afterwards, I now realize that this was a bad idea, since the sheer > amount > > of uninteresting emails that I began getting make it difficult to filte= r > > out the discussion around musl from the potential discussion to the bug= I > > reported, and I find it simplest to unregister from the mailing list > after > > reporting the bug. However, this kind of "fire and forget" bug reportin= g > > feels bad, and I lose the way to keep in touch with the communication > > around the bug. > > > > I see that the issue of setting up a bug tracker has already been > discussed > > before here http://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2014/09/05/1 . Has > anything > > changed with this respect? > > No, but I want a bug/patch tracker more than ever right now. There > have been a lot of patches (and a few bug reports) coming in lately > and it's hard to keep track of them all manually. So far bugzilla is > probably the main candidate, but I also looked at a few others. I'd > welcome input on what works well (both from a user standpoint and from > an implementation-quality/hosting-considerations standpoint). > > As for having to subscribe to the list right now, you don't need to. > You can report bugs as a non-subscriber. Mail goes to a moderation > queue but I'll approve it. Please just include a note if you want to > be CC'd on replies. > > > My recommendation would be to just set up a github repository and use t= he > > github workflow of issues and pull requests for development, since that > is > > extremely popular for modern open source development and works well als= o > > for non-core developers to chime in to the fun. > > Not going to happen. github is utterly hideous to work with. It's slow > as molasses (the web ui), often down, and doesn't integrate well with > other tools. They also have the absolute worst web-based git repo > browser, which is completely unjustifiable when the best one (cgit) is > free and essentially included with git. > > Rich > --001a1136e84ac517c9050f23032e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh, submitting without registering to the list sounds good= , I'll do that then.

As for github, adjectives like = "utterly hideous", "slow as molasses" and "often d= own" are of course subjective opinions, so I don't have any say on= that, but can I ask what kind of integration limitations it has that are n= eeded? Also, I haven't used cgit - what makes it better than GitHub in = your opinion?

2015-02-15 18:16 GMT+02:00 Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>:
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015= at 05:22:32PM +0200, Jukka Jyl=C3=A4nki wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just recently registered to the musl mailing list to report a bug, s= ince
> the FAQ here http://www.musl-libc.org/faq.html mentioned that there is no
> separate tracker to report bugs to.
>
> Afterwards, I now realize that this was a bad idea, since the sheer am= ount
> of uninteresting emails that I began getting make it difficult to filt= er
> out the discussion around musl from the potential discussion to the bu= g I
> reported, and I find it simplest to unregister from the mailing list a= fter
> reporting the bug. However, this kind of "fire and forget" b= ug reporting
> feels bad, and I lose the way to keep in touch with the communication<= br> > around the bug.
>
> I see that the issue of setting up a bug tracker has already been disc= ussed
> before here http://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2014/09/05/1 . H= as anything
> changed with this respect?

No, but I want a bug/patch tracker more than ever right now. There have been a lot of patches (and a few bug reports) coming in lately
and it's hard to keep track of them all manually. So far bugzilla is probably the main candidate, but I also looked at a few others. I'd
welcome input on what works well (both from a user standpoint and from
an implementation-quality/hosting-considerations standpoint).

As for having to subscribe to the list right now, you don't need to. You can report bugs as a non-subscriber. Mail goes to a moderation
queue but I'll approve it. Please just include a note if you want to be CC'd on replies.

> My recommendation would be to just set up a github repository and use = the
> github workflow of issues and pull requests for development, since tha= t is
> extremely popular for modern open source development and works well al= so
> for non-core developers to chime in to the fun.

Not going to happen. github is utterly hideous to work with. It'= s slow
as molasses (the web ui), often down, and doesn't integrate well with other tools. They also have the absolute worst web-based git repo
browser, which is completely unjustifiable when the best one (cgit) is
free and essentially included with git.

Rich

--001a1136e84ac517c9050f23032e-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/7047 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luca Barbato Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Please consider setting up a bug tracker? Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:53:24 +0100 Message-ID: <54E0CF04.2080909@gentoo.org> References: <20150215161609.GQ23507@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1424019271 7126 80.91.229.3 (15 Feb 2015 16:54:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:54:31 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-7060-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Sun Feb 15 17:54:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YN2Sf-00036x-7t for gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:54:25 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 3530 invoked by uid 550); 15 Feb 2015 16:54:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 3268 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2015 16:53:30 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 In-Reply-To: <20150215161609.GQ23507@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:7047 Archived-At: On 15/02/15 17:16, Rich Felker wrote: > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 05:22:32PM +0200, Jukka Jylänki wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I just recently registered to the musl mailing list to report a bug, since >> the FAQ here http://www.musl-libc.org/faq.html mentioned that there is no >> separate tracker to report bugs to. >> >> Afterwards, I now realize that this was a bad idea, since the sheer amount >> of uninteresting emails that I began getting make it difficult to filter >> out the discussion around musl from the potential discussion to the bug I >> reported, and I find it simplest to unregister from the mailing list after >> reporting the bug. However, this kind of "fire and forget" bug reporting >> feels bad, and I lose the way to keep in touch with the communication >> around the bug. >> >> I see that the issue of setting up a bug tracker has already been discussed >> before here http://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2014/09/05/1 . Has anything >> changed with this respect? > > No, but I want a bug/patch tracker more than ever right now. There > have been a lot of patches (and a few bug reports) coming in lately > and it's hard to keep track of them all manually. So far bugzilla is > probably the main candidate, but I also looked at a few others. I'd > welcome input on what works well (both from a user standpoint and from > an implementation-quality/hosting-considerations standpoint). I tried to do a run about few months ago and so far bugzilla remains the best overall. If you want to keep the mailinglist workflow you might look at patchwork or, once I manage to complete it, plaid. lu From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/7048 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rich Felker Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Please consider setting up a bug tracker? Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:40:44 -0500 Message-ID: <20150215174044.GS23507@brightrain.aerifal.cx> References: <20150215161609.GQ23507@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1424022065 19854 80.91.229.3 (15 Feb 2015 17:41:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:41:05 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-7061-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Sun Feb 15 18:41:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YN3Bm-0005ya-OQ for gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:41:02 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 19702 invoked by uid 550); 15 Feb 2015 17:41:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 19608 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2015 17:40:56 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Original-Sender: Rich Felker Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:7048 Archived-At: On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 06:32:25PM +0200, Jukka Jylänki wrote: > Oh, submitting without registering to the list sounds good, I'll do that > then. > > As for github, adjectives like "utterly hideous", "slow as molasses" and > "often down" are of course subjective opinions, so I don't have any say on > that, but can I ask what kind of integration limitations it has that are > needed? Also, I haven't used cgit - what makes it better than GitHub in > your opinion? Well they're not precise measurements, but the speed and downtime are quantifiable, so not exactly subjective either. With regards to speed, I find clicks (even to open tiny files) take several seconds to respond on github's git browser, and it's all time spent in client-side javascript, which loads a representation (json iirc) of the data and then transforms it to html client-side. Compare this to cgit (what we have on the musl site) which loads instantly. Rich