From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Resuming work on new semaphore
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 11:26:43 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150402152642.GW6817@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.11.1504021036070.31632@monopod.intra.ispras.ru>
On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 10:42:16AM +0300, Alexander Monakov wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2015, Rich Felker wrote:
> > If just waiting, the negative semaphore value persists after the
> > waiter is killed. Subsequent posts will produce a wake for a waiter
> > that doesn't exist, and will thereby allow future waiters that arrive
> > when the semaphore value is zero to proceed immediately (leaving the
> > value negative) by consuming this wake. There are usage patterns where
> > trywait would never succeed again, but wait would succeed trivially.
>
> Interesting. To examine the issue under a different light, consider that from
> the perspective of semaphore implementation, waiters that were killed,
> stopped, or pre-empted forever in the middle of sem_wait are
> indistinguishable.
Yes, I noticed this too. In that sense, theoretically there should be
no harm (aside from eventual overflow of pending wake counter) from
having asynchronously-killed waiters, assuming the implementation is
bug-free in the absence of async killing of waiters.
> Thus, subsequent sem_wait succeeds by effectively stealing
> a post, and to make things consistent you can teach sem_trywait to steal posts
> too (i.e. try atomic-decrement-if-positive val[1] just before returning
> EAGAIN, return 0 if that succeeds).
Hmm, perhaps that is valid. I'll have to think about it again. I was
thinking of having sem_trywait unconditionally down the value (val[0])
then immitate the exit path of sem_timedwait, but that's not valid
because another waiter could race and prevent sem_trywait from ever
being able to exit. But if it only does the down as a dec-if-positive
then it seems like it can safely dec-if-positive the wake count before
reporting failure.
Rich
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-02 15:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-02 1:30 Rich Felker
2015-04-02 7:42 ` Alexander Monakov
2015-04-02 15:26 ` Rich Felker [this message]
2015-04-02 21:39 ` Alexander Monakov
2015-04-02 23:14 ` Rich Felker
2015-04-05 14:07 ` Alexander Monakov
2015-04-05 14:17 ` Alexander Monakov
2015-04-05 19:02 ` Rich Felker
2015-04-05 20:03 ` Alexander Monakov
2015-04-05 20:23 ` Rich Felker
2015-04-05 21:07 ` Alexander Monakov
2015-04-11 22:22 ` Alexander Monakov
2015-04-23 16:06 ` Rich Felker
2015-04-23 18:24 ` Alexander Monakov
2015-04-23 20:01 ` Alexander Monakov
2015-04-24 2:46 ` Rich Felker
2015-04-24 10:23 ` Alexander Monakov
2015-04-24 15:03 ` Rich Felker
2015-04-24 15:47 ` Alexander Monakov
2015-04-24 15:59 ` Rich Felker
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