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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"musl@lists.openwall.com" <musl@lists.openwall.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [musl] Re: [RFC PATCH] x86/vdso/32: Add AT_SYSINFO cancellation helpers
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:16:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160310111646.GA13102@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160310033446.GL9349@brightrain.aerifal.cx>


* Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote:

> [...]
>
> I believe a new kernel cancellation API with a sticky cancellation flag (rather 
> than a signal), and a flag or'd onto the syscall number to make it cancellable 
> at the call point, could work, but then userspace needs to support fairly 
> different old and new kernel APIs in order to be able to run on old kernels 
> while also taking advantage of new ones, and it's not clear to me that it would 
> actually be worthwhile to do so. I could see doing it for a completely new 
> syscall API, but as a second syscall API for a system that already has one it 
> seems gratuitous. From my perspective the existing approach (checking program 
> counter from signal handler) is very clean and simple. After all it made enough 
> sense that I was able to convince the glibc folks to adopt it.

I concur with your overall analysis, but things get a bit messy once we consider 
AT_SYSINFO which is a non-atomic mix of user-space and kernel-space code. Trying 
to hand cancellation status through that results in extra complexity:

 arch/x86/entry/vdso/Makefile                      |   3 +-
 arch/x86/entry/vdso/vdso32/cancellation_helpers.c | 116 ++++++++++++++++++++++
 arch/x86/entry/vdso/vdso32/vdso32.lds.S           |   2 +
 tools/testing/selftests/x86/unwind_vdso.c         |  57 +++++++++--
 4 files changed, 171 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)

So instead of a sticky cancellation flag, we could introduce a sticky cancellation 
signal.

A 'sticky signal' is not cleared from signal_pending() when the signal handler 
executes, but it's automatically blocked so no signal handler recursion occurs.
(A sticky signal could still be cleared via a separate mechanism, by the 
 cancellation cleanup code.)

Such a 'sticky cancellation signal' would, in the racy situation, cause new 
blocking system calls to immediately return with -EINTR. Non-blocking syscalls 
could still be used. (So the cancellation signal handler itself would still have 
access to various fundamental system calls.)

I think this would avoid messy coupling between the kernel's increasingly more 
varied system call entry code and C libraries.

Sticky signals could be requested via a new SA_ flag.

What do you think?

Thanks,

	Ingo


  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-10 11:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-09  1:24 Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-09  8:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-09 11:34   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-09 11:40     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-09 19:47     ` [musl] " Linus Torvalds
2016-03-09 20:57       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-09 21:26         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-10 10:57         ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-10  3:34       ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2016-03-10 11:16         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2016-03-10 16:41           ` Rich Felker
2016-03-10 18:03             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-10 23:28               ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2016-03-11  0:18                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-11  0:48                   ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2016-03-11  1:14                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11  1:39                     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-11  1:49                       ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-11  1:55                       ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2016-03-11  9:33                 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-11 11:39                   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-11 19:27                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-11 19:30                       ` [musl] " Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 19:39                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-11 19:44                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-12 17:05                             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-12 18:10                               ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2016-03-12 17:00                       ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-12 18:05                         ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2016-03-12 18:48                           ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-12 19:08                             ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2016-03-12 17:08                     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-09 17:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-09 21:19   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-12 18:13     ` Andy Lutomirski

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