From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/9631 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: FRIGN Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: musl licensing Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 15:07:23 +0100 Message-ID: <20160316150723.1634e3a30871c3e4fadc27de@frign.de> References: <20160315224126.GA5402@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20160316103125.GB9862@port70.net> <20160316115527.335b1a45adadb1a8af6244c5@frign.de> <20160316123413.GC9862@port70.net> <4301.1458132364@CATHET.us> <20160316134908.GB13856@example.net> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1458137260 25106 80.91.229.3 (16 Mar 2016 14:07:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:07:40 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-9644-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Wed Mar 16 15:07:39 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1agC6s-00036p-FI for gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 15:07:38 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 32211 invoked by uid 550); 16 Mar 2016 14:07:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-ID: Original-Received: (qmail 32187 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2016 14:07:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1458137244; l=1409; s=domk; d=frign.de; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=9SAN+M8l1NLTa9xrdpmkpd0NzPXHaKdlML22R9kQHAE=; b=rwXjDrF7oyIAiGE+We187IAep5eztHhOxrJtHzABoM1hY2+ziEIGMIuku4iQYSyOAku EcM5TfePeu3kKrxgApCV/u/ILimqmWalTsYAFruL26+aFG8Ii0sX049oIwcbA55HlGomH AUYTYUpO7p5S2IQ+K3yn0aeDPtY+pMDXdZY= X-RZG-AUTH: :KGkSVUa6cvg6QHOypuT/F//XhghIqIrrftbI6xdAzo0GYm6y2943wg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 In-Reply-To: <20160316134908.GB13856@example.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.28; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:9631 Archived-At: On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:49:08 +0100 u-uy74@aetey.se wrote: Hey Rune, > Copyright law is a [legacy originating from the Britain's] censuring > framework, which happens to be applied to software for no technical reason > (does a copyright notice influence the functioning of the program?) but > for various political ones. thanks for the history lesson. It still doesn't change the fact that this topic needs to be addressed. Copyright law is not going to change in the forseeable future, and I think the best that can happen to musl is when it's used broadly (which implies broad testing and more chances of patches flowing in). I understand the caution by the companies when licensing isn't clear. Given public domain practically implies "all rights reserved", there's nothing stopping a "malicious" developer from making claims after deployment. The term "public domain" is not very clear after all. I also want to see musl in widespread use, and even if I probably can't expect a relicensing to ISC or something, one can still expect the sections which are "public domain" to be licensed under BSD-0 or ISC or MIT to clear up the licensing situation. The CLA comment by Petr was probably a misunderstanding and I assume he probably meant the case in which a license change won't happen upstream, but as an exception for Google. Cheers FRIGN -- FRIGN