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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: musl licensing
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:57:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160317155720.GD21636@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+bHwppbAyN8p5an3qqNEKuhNeAAvBfPnfSLzUsjf9GmEdrHDg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 08:49:39AM -0700, Hugues Bruant wrote:
> >
> > And don't get me wrong, I'm probably one of the biggest enemies of
> > the term "intellectual property" in the open source context; for
> > companies it's another matter, however, we have to play by the
> > rules of the system and be clear about what we mean.
> > For lawyers, calling something "public domain" doesn't mean much
> > to them. So endure the pain, license it under BSD-0, so Google's
> > lawyers and future peoples' lawyers are happy and we actually get
> > shit done.
> >
> Or go the SQLite way and charge a fee to get an explicit license for
> companies that are not comfortable with Public Domain
> 
> http://sqlite.org/copyright.html

I've asked that we try to stay on-topic. The topic is not relicensing
or new licensing models (and certainly not unbalanced ones), only
fixing the issues that are making Google's lawyers go into paranoid
mode. :-)

> That's probably much stronger than the musl community would be comfortable
> with and also too late as it would require all past contributors to
> disclaim copyright, not just Rich but it's worth noting that public domain
> ideology is not incompatible with corporate use.

I don't think this is entirely accurate because there's plenty of
legacy PD code that made it into products with major corporate use. It
would take some research to produce a list but I'm quite confident
it's there. So the issue is not that "PD is incompatible with
corporate use" but (from what I can tell) that corporate lawyers are
weary (possibly rightfully so) of new attempts to put things in the
public domain without a clear license from the people who would be
copyright holders if the material is actually covered by copyright in
some or all jurisdictions.

I really don't want to be the "new DJB" who's holding out on actually
giving proper permissions statements/license as an act of protest
(against what?) and I'm hopeful that we can find a nice approach that
makes both parties happy.

Rich


  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-17 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-15 21:59 Petr Hosek
2016-03-15 22:17 ` croco
2016-03-16 16:32   ` Alexander Cherepanov
2016-03-16 22:50     ` Petr Hosek
2016-03-16 22:55       ` Josiah Worcester
2016-03-16 23:46       ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17  2:06         ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-17  3:04           ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17  8:17           ` u-uy74
2016-03-17 15:14             ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-17 15:28               ` FRIGN
2016-03-17 15:49                 ` Hugues Bruant
2016-03-17 15:57                   ` Rich Felker [this message]
2016-03-17 16:01               ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17 23:32                 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-18  4:21                   ` Rich Felker
2016-03-18  4:47                     ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-18 18:07                       ` Rich Felker
2016-03-18 18:16                     ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-18 19:12                       ` Rich Felker
2016-03-18 19:47                         ` George Kulakowski
2016-03-19  4:35                           ` Rich Felker
2016-03-21 22:46                             ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-23  2:32                               ` Rich Felker
2016-03-23 20:35                                 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-23 22:53                                   ` Rob Landley
2016-03-29 17:18                                     ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-29 17:21                                   ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-29 20:03                                     ` Rich Felker
2016-03-29 20:21                                       ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-30  6:56                                     ` u-uy74
2016-03-30 14:11                                       ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-30 14:43                                         ` u-uy74
2016-03-18  8:31               ` u-uy74
2016-03-17  1:26       ` Alexander Cherepanov
2016-03-17  2:20         ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-15 22:20 ` Kurt H Maier
2016-03-15 22:20 ` Josiah Worcester
2016-03-15 22:41 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-15 22:49   ` Shiz
2016-03-16  4:54   ` Isaac Dunham
2016-03-16  8:00   ` u-uy74
2016-03-16 10:31   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-16 10:55     ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 12:34       ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-16 12:46         ` Anthony J. Bentley
2016-03-16 13:49           ` u-uy74
2016-03-16 14:07             ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 14:01         ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 14:47           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-16 10:22 ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 20:13 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-16 20:19   ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 20:34     ` Rich Felker
2016-03-16 21:11       ` Jens Gustedt
2016-03-16 21:15       ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 21:35         ` Rich Felker
2016-03-16 21:50           ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 21:34       ` John Levine
2016-03-16 21:38       ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-17  2:01       ` Ed Maste
2016-03-17  3:19         ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17 18:49           ` Ed Maste
2016-03-17 19:16             ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17 21:16               ` Wink Saville
2016-03-17 21:25                 ` Petr Hosek
2016-03-17 22:56                   ` Ruediger Meier
2016-03-17 23:07                     ` Anthony J. Bentley
2016-03-17 23:19                       ` Kurt H Maier
2016-03-17 23:31                         ` Anthony J. Bentley
2016-03-17 23:46                           ` Ruediger Meier
2016-03-18  3:30                           ` Kurt H Maier
2016-03-18  3:41                             ` Rich Felker
2016-03-18  3:55                               ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-17 21:42               ` Ed Maste
2016-03-17 23:37               ` Luca Barbato
2016-03-18  8:01             ` u-uy74
2016-03-18 12:35 ` chromium with musl libc (was: [musl] musl licensing) Natanael Copa

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