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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Why are stdin/stdout/stderr `FILE *const` in musl?
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 12:35:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180202173501.GS1627@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1E109BA9-57C0-42DB-9B43-8ADE27F9E76C@hanauska.name>

On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 02:24:28PM +0100, CodingMarkus wrote:
> Hello everyone!
> 
> Just a quick question:
> Why does musl define stdin, stdout, and stderr to be of type `FILE
> *const`? Neither the C standard, nor the POSIX standard require,

They don't require it, but they allow it. musl's implementation _does_
require it, because behind the macros (all the C standard requires to
exist) are const-qualified objects (living inside libc.so/libc.a), and
declaring them with a type that mismatches their definitions would
result in undefined behavior.

> recommend or even imply that it would be allowed that this is a
> `const` pointer. That’s why other C libraries define it as `FILE *`
> only because that matches the examples given by POSIX and that
> matches the description found in any ISO-C standard. Making them
> const only break compatibility with other C libraries, e.g.
> considered this code:
> 
> 	void * getOutputPtr ( void ) {
> 		if (/* whatever */) {
> 			return &stdout;
> 		}
> 		return &stderr;
> 	}
> 
> This code is correct by C standard and it is correct by POSIX

It's not. As others have noted, stderr is not specified as an object;
it's a macro that expands to an expression with type FILE *. You
cannot take the address of an expression in general.

Rich


      parent reply	other threads:[~2018-02-02 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-02 13:24 CodingMarkus
2018-02-02 13:54 ` Jens Gustedt
2018-02-02 14:13   ` Alexander Monakov
2018-02-02 15:01 ` Markus Wichmann
2018-02-02 15:30   ` CodingMarkus
     [not found]     ` <CAOUYtQAWqEY_Ys3crsyXDmVVqJVjfzwTA0NsDxfpgU5cP_t2nA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-02-02 15:53       ` Jon Chesterfield
2018-02-02 16:01     ` Jens Gustedt
2018-02-02 16:12     ` Jeff Hammond
2018-02-02 17:16     ` William Pitcock
2018-02-02 17:35 ` Rich Felker [this message]

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