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From: u-uy74@aetey.se
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: (OT?) Re: [musl] Symbol versioning approximation trips on compat symbols
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:13:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190129171305.GA22427@example.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190128152912.GB23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 10:29:12AM -0500, Rich Felker wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 02:08:13PM +0100, u-uy74@aetey.se wrote:
> > If there is a feature which is hard or impossible to test for, like
> > symbol versioning, it means that the applications may _have_ to rely on
> > an explicit build flag telling whether to use it.

> It wouldn't be hard to test for if toolchains had been consistent with
> musl capabilities all along. They have not been. So we have a
> situation where the valid build-time tests indicate support, but
> runtime silently lacks it. I don't think this is a good situation to

What is the value (the "validity"?) of a build-time test if it
does not help to distinguish how to build a usable binary?
This seems to be testing for A when we want to know B.

> Fortunately, it mostly doesn't matter since the main intended usage
> for versioning is to link to the current/default version symbols,
> assuming your apps are all up-to-date with respect to your libs (and
> libs wrt each other). But I still think honoring version bindings in
> ldso is the right course of action.

I assume you'll find a good balance between the cost/complexity and
usefulness.

(Musl is by far the best libc I ever worked with on Linux, among others
omitting a number of regrettably popular misfeatures. Kudos.)

Rune



  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-29 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-21 17:57 Florian Weimer
2019-01-24  1:43 ` Rich Felker
2019-01-24  9:28   ` u-uy74
2019-01-24 10:11     ` Florian Weimer
2019-01-24 11:09   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2019-01-24 11:18     ` Florian Weimer
2019-01-27  4:04       ` Rich Felker
2019-01-27  9:36         ` u-uy74
2019-01-28  6:34           ` Florian Weimer
2019-01-28  9:17             ` Timo Teras
2019-01-28 11:33               ` Szabolcs Nagy
2019-01-28 12:40             ` Szabolcs Nagy
2019-01-28 13:08             ` (OT?) Re: [musl] " u-uy74
2019-01-28 15:22               ` Markus Wichmann
2019-01-28 15:34                 ` Rich Felker
2019-01-28 15:29               ` Rich Felker
2019-01-29 17:13                 ` u-uy74 [this message]
2019-01-30 14:57                   ` Rich Felker
2019-01-28 21:57             ` A. Wilcox
2019-01-28 22:52               ` Matias Fonzo
2019-01-28 23:12                 ` Zach van Rijn
2019-01-28 23:41                   ` A. Wilcox
2019-01-28 23:47                     ` Rich Felker
2019-01-29  3:22                       ` A. Wilcox
2019-01-29 19:40                         ` Matias Fonzo
2019-01-29 19:31                   ` Matias Fonzo

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