From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25987 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2020 19:37:44 -0000 Received: from mother.openwall.net (195.42.179.200) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Jun 2020 19:37:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 7810 invoked by uid 550); 4 Jun 2020 19:37:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-ID: Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com Received: (qmail 7792 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2020 19:37:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 15:37:27 -0400 From: Rich Felker To: David Edelsohn Cc: musl@lists.openwall.com, Segher Boessenkool , Daniel Kolesa , Michal =?utf-8?B?U3VjaMOhbmVr?= , Joseph Myers , GNU C Library , eery@paperfox.es, Will Springer , Palmer Dabbelt via binutils , via libc-dev , linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org Message-ID: <20200604193726.GQ1079@brightrain.aerifal.cx> References: <20200602142337.GS25173@kitsune.suse.cz> <3aeb6dfe-ae23-42f9-ac23-16be6b54a850@www.fastmail.com> <20200604171232.GG31009@gate.crashing.org> <20200604171844.GO1079@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20200604173312.GI31009@gate.crashing.org> <20200604174613.GP1079@brightrain.aerifal.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [musl] Re: ppc64le and 32-bit LE userland compatibility On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 03:00:51PM -0400, David Edelsohn wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:46 PM Rich Felker wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 12:33:12PM -0500, Segher Boessenkool wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 01:18:44PM -0400, Rich Felker wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 12:12:32PM -0500, Segher Boessenkool wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 05:13:25PM +0200, Daniel Kolesa wrote: > > > > > > well, ppc64le already cannot be run on those, as far as I know (I > > > > > > don't think it's possible to build ppc64le userland without VSX in > > > > > > any configuration) > > > > > > > > > > VSX is required by the ELFv2 ABI: > > > > > > > > > > """ > > > > > Specifically, to use this ABI and ABI-compliant programs, OpenPOWER- > > > > > compliant processors must implement the following categories: > > > > > > > > This is not actually ABI but IBM policy laundered into an ABI > > > > document, which musl does not honor. > > > > > > It is the ABI. If you think it should be different, make your own ABI, > > > don't pretend the existing ABI is different than what it is. Thank you. > > > > Our ABI is as specified in the ELFv2 document, but with ld as ld64, > > and minus gratuitous requirements on ISA level that are not part of > > implementing linkage. > > Rich, > > If you are changing the Power ELFv2 ABI then it is not the Power ELFv2 > ABI. You can't cherry-pick what you like and claim that it is > compatible. You are not conforming to the ABI. You are aware of this and you are aware that I don't care about your opinion on the matter, and that I don't appreciate your ongoing harassment of users of musl who run on pre-POWER8 hardware that IBM does not approve them using. Rich