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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [musl] Incompatible behaviour of res_query(3) w.r.t. NXDOMAIN
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:36:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200824213618.GM3265@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5CEB8952-4884-4FA2-ACD9-1BA118D2CB50@rb67.eu>

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 10:39:30PM +0200, Daniel Neri wrote:
> On 24 Aug 2020, at 18:43, Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Hmm, I think in this case the "better" might be sufficient that we
> > want to keep it and pressure other implementations to change too. A
> > program performing a lookup where the result is NxDomain may very well
> > want to know whether that's an authenticated (by DNSSEC) NxDomain or
> > one in an insecure zone. Returning an error to the caller with no
> > packet contents discards this critical data.
> 
> In that case, it’d be better to add a new resolver API, or implement
> an already existing one that supports this usecase. The other
> implementations I mentioned also support option flags (in global
> state) that can change the behaviour.
> 
> res_query(3) is almost as old as DNS itself — it doesn’t seem likely
> that everyone else, both libraries and applications, are going to
> make incompatible changes at this point.

If it were really incompatible behavior I would agree, but the
behaviors aren't incompatible. Either is compatible with the same
underspecified documentation, and a reasonable caller will easily deal
with both -- the nxdomain reply looks very similar to nodata, which it
also needs to be able to handle, except for the different error code
(3 vs 0). A caller can't assume just because res_query succeeded that
ancount>0.

Rich

  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-24 21:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-23 21:31 Daniel Neri
2020-08-24 16:16 ` Rich Felker
2020-08-24 16:43   ` Rich Felker
2020-08-24 20:39     ` Daniel Neri
2020-08-24 21:36       ` Rich Felker [this message]
2020-08-24 21:04     ` Florian Weimer
2020-08-24 21:32       ` Rich Felker
2020-08-24 21:51         ` Daniel Neri
2020-08-24 22:09           ` Rich Felker
2020-08-25  3:26             ` Rich Felker
2020-08-25 13:56               ` Daniel Neri
2020-08-24 22:04         ` Florian Weimer
2020-08-24 22:13           ` Rich Felker

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