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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: baiyang <baiyang@gmail.com>, musl <musl@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: [musl] The heap memory performance (malloc/free/realloc) is significantly degraded in musl 1.2 (compared to 1.1)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:46:59 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220919134659.GO9709@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874jx3h76u.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com>

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 02:36:41PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Szabolcs Nagy:
> 
> > unlike musl those implementations don't return exact size nor have the
> > same security and memory fragmentation guarantees, so bad comparision.
> >
> > tcmalloc:
> >   // Returns the actual number N of bytes reserved by tcmalloc for the pointer
> >   // p.  This number may be equal to or greater than the number of bytes
> >   // requested when p was allocated.
> >   //
> >   // This function is just useful for statistics collection.  The client must
> >   // *not* read or write from the extra bytes that are indicated by this call.
> >
> > jemalloc:
> >       <para>The <function>malloc_usable_size()</function> function
> >       returns the usable size of the allocation pointed to by
> >       <parameter>ptr</parameter>.  The return value may be larger than the size
> >       that was requested during allocation.  The
> >       <function>malloc_usable_size()</function> function is not a
> >       mechanism for in-place <function>realloc()</function>; rather
> >       it is provided solely as a tool for introspection purposes.  Any
> >       discrepancy between the requested allocation size and the size reported
> >       by <function>malloc_usable_size()</function> should not be
> >       depended on, since such behavior is entirely implementation-dependent.
> 
> These implementations are buggy or at least mis-documented.  The
> interface contract is clearly that for that particular object, the extra
> bytes in the allocation are available for reading and writing.  It is
> not guaranteed that the allocator will always provide the same number of
> extra bytes for the same requested size, but they must be there for the
> allocation being examined.  It's even in the name of the function!

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, but the core problem
that really can't be solved is potential discrepancy between the
malloc implementation's idea of usable and the compiler's. For
example:

	char *p = malloc(1);
	if (malloc_usable_size(p)>1) p[1] = 42;

will cause a compiler that's actively detecting UB to abort the
program when malloc_usable_size returns a value larger than 1.

Rich

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-19 13:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-19  7:53 baiyang
2022-09-19 11:08 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-09-19 12:36   ` Florian Weimer
2022-09-19 13:46     ` Rich Felker [this message]
2022-09-19 13:53       ` James Y Knight
2022-09-19 17:40         ` baiyang
2022-09-19 18:14           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-09-19 18:40             ` baiyang
2022-09-19 19:07             ` Gabriel Ravier
2022-09-19 19:21               ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 21:02                 ` Gabriel Ravier
2022-09-19 21:47                   ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 22:31                     ` Gabriel Ravier
2022-09-19 22:46                       ` baiyang
2022-09-19 20:46             ` Nat!
2022-09-20  8:51               ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-09-20  0:13           ` James Y Knight
2022-09-20  0:25             ` baiyang
2022-09-20  0:38               ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  0:47                 ` baiyang
2022-09-20  1:00                   ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  1:18                     ` baiyang
2022-09-20  2:15                       ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  2:35                         ` baiyang
2022-09-20  3:28                           ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  3:53                             ` baiyang
2022-09-20  5:41                               ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  5:56                                 ` baiyang
2022-09-20 12:16                                   ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20 17:21                                     ` baiyang
2022-09-20  8:33       ` Florian Weimer
2022-09-20 13:54         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-09-20 16:59           ` James Y Knight
2022-09-20 17:34             ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-09-20 19:53               ` James Y Knight
2022-09-24  8:55               ` Fangrui Song
2022-09-20 17:39             ` baiyang
2022-09-20 18:12               ` Quentin Rameau
2022-09-20 18:19                 ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20 18:26                   ` Alexander Monakov
2022-09-20 18:35                     ` baiyang
2022-09-20 20:33                       ` Gabriel Ravier
2022-09-20 20:45                         ` baiyang
2022-09-21  8:42                           ` NRK
2022-09-20 18:37                     ` Quentin Rameau
2022-09-21 10:15                   ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-21 16:11                     ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-21 17:15                     ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2022-09-21 17:58                       ` Rich Felker
2022-09-22  3:34                         ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-22  9:10                           ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-22  9:39                             ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-20 17:28           ` baiyang
2022-09-20 17:44             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-10-10 14:13           ` Florian Weimer
2022-09-19 13:43 ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 17:32   ` baiyang
2022-09-19 18:15     ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 18:44       ` baiyang
2022-09-19 19:18         ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 19:45           ` baiyang
2022-09-19 20:07             ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 20:17               ` baiyang
2022-09-19 20:28                 ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 20:38                   ` baiyang
2022-09-19 22:02                 ` Quentin Rameau
2022-09-19 20:17             ` Joakim Sindholt
2022-09-19 20:33               ` baiyang

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