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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: baiyang <baiyang@gmail.com>
Cc: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Re: [musl] The heap memory performance (malloc/free/realloc) is significantly degraded in musl 1.2 (compared to 1.1)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 14:15:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220919181556.GT9709@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202209200132289145679@gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 01:32:31AM +0800, baiyang wrote:
> Hi Rich,
> 
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> > Unless you have an application that's explicitly using
> > malloc_usable_size all over the place, it's highly unlikely that this
> > is the cause of your real-world performance problems. 
> 
> 1. Yes, we have a real scenario where `malloc_usable_size` is called
> frequently: we need to optimize the realloc experience. We add an
> extra parameter to realloc - minimalCopyBytes: it represents the
> actual size of data that needs to be copied after fallback to
> malloc-copy-free mode. We will judge whether to call realloc or
> complete malloc-memcpy-free by ourself based on factors such as the
> size of the data that realloc needs to copy (obtained through
> `malloc_usable_size`), the size that we actually need to copy when
> we doing malloc-memcpy-free ourself (minimalCopyBytes) and the
> chance of merging chunks (small blocks) or mremap (large blocks) in
> the underlayer realloc. So, this is a real scenario, we need to call
> `malloc_usable_size` frequently.

Is there a reason you're relying on an unreliable and nonstandard
function (malloc_usable_size) to do this rather than your program
keeping track of its own knowledge of the allocated size? This is what
the C language expects you to do. For example if you have a structure
that contains a pointer to a dynamically sized buffer, normally you
store the size in a size_t member right next to that pointer, allowing
you to make these kind of decisions without having to probe anything.

> 2. As I mentioned before, this isn't just a problem with
> `malloc_usable_size`, since we actually include a full
> `malloc_usable_size` procedure in both `realloc` and `free`, it
> actually slows down The speed of other calls such as `free` and
> `realloc`. So this problem actually slows down not only the
> `malloc_usable_size` call itself, but also the realloc and free
> calls.

If this is affecting you too, that's a separate issue. But I can't
tell from what you've reported so far whether you're just claiming
this on a theoretical basis or whether you're actually experiencing
unacceptable performance.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-19 18:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-19  7:53 baiyang
2022-09-19 11:08 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-09-19 12:36   ` Florian Weimer
2022-09-19 13:46     ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 13:53       ` James Y Knight
2022-09-19 17:40         ` baiyang
2022-09-19 18:14           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-09-19 18:40             ` baiyang
2022-09-19 19:07             ` Gabriel Ravier
2022-09-19 19:21               ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 21:02                 ` Gabriel Ravier
2022-09-19 21:47                   ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 22:31                     ` Gabriel Ravier
2022-09-19 22:46                       ` baiyang
2022-09-19 20:46             ` Nat!
2022-09-20  8:51               ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-09-20  0:13           ` James Y Knight
2022-09-20  0:25             ` baiyang
2022-09-20  0:38               ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  0:47                 ` baiyang
2022-09-20  1:00                   ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  1:18                     ` baiyang
2022-09-20  2:15                       ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  2:35                         ` baiyang
2022-09-20  3:28                           ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  3:53                             ` baiyang
2022-09-20  5:41                               ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  5:56                                 ` baiyang
2022-09-20 12:16                                   ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20 17:21                                     ` baiyang
2022-09-20  8:33       ` Florian Weimer
2022-09-20 13:54         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-09-20 16:59           ` James Y Knight
2022-09-20 17:34             ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-09-20 19:53               ` James Y Knight
2022-09-24  8:55               ` Fangrui Song
2022-09-20 17:39             ` baiyang
2022-09-20 18:12               ` Quentin Rameau
2022-09-20 18:19                 ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20 18:26                   ` Alexander Monakov
2022-09-20 18:35                     ` baiyang
2022-09-20 20:33                       ` Gabriel Ravier
2022-09-20 20:45                         ` baiyang
2022-09-21  8:42                           ` NRK
2022-09-20 18:37                     ` Quentin Rameau
2022-09-21 10:15                   ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-21 16:11                     ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-21 17:15                     ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2022-09-21 17:58                       ` Rich Felker
2022-09-22  3:34                         ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-22  9:10                           ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-22  9:39                             ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-20 17:28           ` baiyang
2022-09-20 17:44             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-10-10 14:13           ` Florian Weimer
2022-09-19 13:43 ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 17:32   ` baiyang
2022-09-19 18:15     ` Rich Felker [this message]
2022-09-19 18:44       ` baiyang
2022-09-19 19:18         ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 19:45           ` baiyang
2022-09-19 20:07             ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 20:17               ` baiyang
2022-09-19 20:28                 ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 20:38                   ` baiyang
2022-09-19 22:02                 ` Quentin Rameau
2022-09-19 20:17             ` Joakim Sindholt
2022-09-19 20:33               ` baiyang

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