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From: baiyang <baiyang@gmail.com>
To: musl <musl@lists.openwall.com>
Cc: "Quentin Rameau" <quinq@fifth.space>,
	 "Florian Weimer" <fweimer@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [musl] The heap memory performance (malloc/free/realloc) is significantly degraded in musl 1.2 (compared to 1.1)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 02:35:17 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2022092102351588157126@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f3cfa744-2860-8a1e-6446-da4a703b48cc@ispras.ru>

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> So what you're actually trying to do is more clear now.
> And this is something that you should do on the “application layer”,
> not expect the libc to magically taking care of this.

Yes, we just do this at the application layer with the help of APIs such as malloc_usable_size. You can look at the previous emails, isn't that what we're discussing?

> They want to know if realloc will resize the allocation in-place so
> the internal memcpy will not happen.
> AIUI, what they really need is not "usable_size", but "cost estimation
> for resizing allocation at pointer P to size S". Which I believe they
> try to deduce from malloc_usable_size. 

Yes, from malloc_usable_size, the size that the application layer actually needs to copy, and other parameters like the OS, allocator, etc. 

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From: Alexander Monakov
Date: 2022-09-21 02:26
To: musl
CC: Quentin Rameau; Florian Weimer
Subject: Re: [musl] The heap memory performance (malloc/free/realloc) is significantly degraded in musl 1.2 (compared to 1.1)
On Tue, 20 Sep 2022, Rich Felker wrote:
 
> Exactly. This can be done entirely at the application layer just by
> keeping track of the size you allocated. In the above example, the
> number 256 kB is a red herring. Yes the
> "malloc(300KB)+memcpy(256KB)+free(256KB)" is wasteful, but the
> "malloc(300KB)+memcpy(200KB)+free(200KB)" would be comparably wasteful
> when you only want to preserve the first 2K, and you can make the
> decision that it would be wasteful, and that you instead just want to
> allocate a new buffer yourself and memcpy 2K, just by knowing the
> original 200KB, without any knowledge of malloc_usable_size.
 
They want to know if realloc will resize the allocation in-place so
the internal memcpy will not happen.
 
AIUI, what they really need is not "usable_size", but "cost estimation
for resizing allocation at pointer P to size S". Which I believe they
try to deduce from malloc_usable_size.
 
Alexander

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-20 18:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-19  7:53 baiyang
2022-09-19 11:08 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-09-19 12:36   ` Florian Weimer
2022-09-19 13:46     ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 13:53       ` James Y Knight
2022-09-19 17:40         ` baiyang
2022-09-19 18:14           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-09-19 18:40             ` baiyang
2022-09-19 19:07             ` Gabriel Ravier
2022-09-19 19:21               ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 21:02                 ` Gabriel Ravier
2022-09-19 21:47                   ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 22:31                     ` Gabriel Ravier
2022-09-19 22:46                       ` baiyang
2022-09-19 20:46             ` Nat!
2022-09-20  8:51               ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-09-20  0:13           ` James Y Knight
2022-09-20  0:25             ` baiyang
2022-09-20  0:38               ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  0:47                 ` baiyang
2022-09-20  1:00                   ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  1:18                     ` baiyang
2022-09-20  2:15                       ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  2:35                         ` baiyang
2022-09-20  3:28                           ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  3:53                             ` baiyang
2022-09-20  5:41                               ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20  5:56                                 ` baiyang
2022-09-20 12:16                                   ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20 17:21                                     ` baiyang
2022-09-20  8:33       ` Florian Weimer
2022-09-20 13:54         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-09-20 16:59           ` James Y Knight
2022-09-20 17:34             ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-09-20 19:53               ` James Y Knight
2022-09-24  8:55               ` Fangrui Song
2022-09-20 17:39             ` baiyang
2022-09-20 18:12               ` Quentin Rameau
2022-09-20 18:19                 ` Rich Felker
2022-09-20 18:26                   ` Alexander Monakov
2022-09-20 18:35                     ` baiyang [this message]
2022-09-20 20:33                       ` Gabriel Ravier
2022-09-20 20:45                         ` baiyang
2022-09-21  8:42                           ` NRK
2022-09-20 18:37                     ` Quentin Rameau
2022-09-21 10:15                   ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-21 16:11                     ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-21 17:15                     ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2022-09-21 17:58                       ` Rich Felker
2022-09-22  3:34                         ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-22  9:10                           ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-22  9:39                             ` [musl] " 王志强
2022-09-20 17:28           ` baiyang
2022-09-20 17:44             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-10-10 14:13           ` Florian Weimer
2022-09-19 13:43 ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 17:32   ` baiyang
2022-09-19 18:15     ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 18:44       ` baiyang
2022-09-19 19:18         ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 19:45           ` baiyang
2022-09-19 20:07             ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 20:17               ` baiyang
2022-09-19 20:28                 ` Rich Felker
2022-09-19 20:38                   ` baiyang
2022-09-19 22:02                 ` Quentin Rameau
2022-09-19 20:17             ` Joakim Sindholt
2022-09-19 20:33               ` baiyang

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