From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7968 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2022 15:16:29 -0000 Received: from second.openwall.net (193.110.157.125) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Dec 2022 15:16:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 21586 invoked by uid 550); 2 Dec 2022 15:16:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-ID: Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com Received: (qmail 21539 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2022 15:16:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 10:16:12 -0500 From: Rich Felker To: "A. Wilcox" Cc: musl@lists.openwall.com Message-ID: <20221202151612.GU29905@brightrain.aerifal.cx> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [musl] Default binding directory for gettext On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 11:31:32PM -0600, A. Wilcox wrote: > Hi, > > While updating the package ‘cracklib’ for Adélie Linux, I found it does > not give localised messages, because it does not call bindtextdomain(3), > only textdomain(3). This does work on glibc and GNU gettext as a > library, which use /usr/share/locale as a default binding. > > Is it intentional that there is no default binding for gettext? I > believe the GNU implementation is meant to be canonical for behaviour of > gettext, and this seems to not match. From > https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/Locating-Catalogs.html, > emphasis mine: > > > The directory name given in bindtextdomains second argument **(or the > default directory)**, followed by the name of the locale, the locale > category, and the domain name are concatenated > > Since this technically isn’t portable when the software is installed in > a different $PREFIX, I did open > https://github.com/cracklib/cracklib/pull/50, so this should be fixed in > a future release of the package. Still, I wasn’t sure if this musl > behaviour was desired or not. My personal feeling is that both are > wrong; bindtextdomain is needed in the case of non-standard PREFIX, but > musl should have a default fallback path for packages that elide the > call. > > Best, > -A. I don't remember the details, and this could be subject to reconsideration in the upcoming locale overhaul, but I think it was intentional. I seem to recall we found that pretty much all real-world packages call bindtextdomain (and the docs/i18n guides tell you to do this) to select a path appropriate to the build-time-chosen install location or a configured location. >From the musl side, we really try to avoid having libc introduce hard-coded absolute path locations that aren't an existing widely-known-to-users convention (like POSIX-specified /dev/null or de facto universal things like /etc/resolv.conf). In the case of glibc, I would assume it's using a default based off of glibc's --prefix, which would make this even more of a mess if we copied that: when users installed musl to a non-system-wide prefix, they'd end up getting that prefix embedded into static linked binaries they make, which might even be a privacy leak. Of course we could opt not to do that and just hard-code /usr/share/locale, but I'm doubtful that this is a behavior that makes sense. Rich