From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25392 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2023 05:39:34 -0000 Received: from second.openwall.net (193.110.157.125) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 13 Jan 2023 05:39:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 7915 invoked by uid 550); 13 Jan 2023 05:39:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-ID: Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com Received: (qmail 7880 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2023 05:39:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=s31663417; t=1673588357; bh=eKJ0NrMxhBt+oNYzwjd9hf3X+o3xkkNou7hOn2j7pMs=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=fn7ZgFrO+pqs7Jhz1vrOGEy4+JY/3852Hc28MtQofahLNXMt1ek28jfdRyNGWTixk McW2EaSXRstKm/85pe/fSm38e0tuO9kl8obB6c1D5dBbfR/sbaA3YBpbxeQcOA4neG EtN7I8IWASSWzBzEpAd5YZtIAcTcF8JfZSeRboVGo6QgPfNfXcrYYvUt1Hv1LzJKlK Jh2c3Vz4MAk9khJ+m/SNKGx9uKwrzGObBdYRsz1lmGY7mTjHGt27y8vckgeXFVdAQt PzT0BJjVKq3xw+XGkruiWtO8T1Q3gDrGfLhCy3UEqjgTS9zq7TqRwfQi3lsTFKCh85 yIS8lOHRILFrA== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2023 06:39:15 +0100 From: Markus Wichmann To: musl@lists.openwall.com Message-ID: <20230113053915.GD2032@voyager> References: <20230109081701.GD4163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20230109081701.GD4163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:4avOduQaDhR/FtORP4BhB5LabO8iUmzbxj1DohEG7lCt/GCU99Q FzaAxFEVu00Mr7jcO87x/3c2tvrhq+no0g1VwG70BCs5ancUYmoAtgR7wdMIPKyHr72NzmJ /gXTtEIMfAGzO5CsRj/4tE+/Q/y5x43RIa2MS/LISbkQ/dUPOx4H0vBSFNWjGPkF+pn6NKD L3bkTNU61qieDqrbW9QBg== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:WeOl30Rzvvs=;qAdHSEs2EvQ6PDko1YFEZQLxOzc 8CNppO0CB5yQBnf6Zkto5V8opf3KMIAr6LlIHHdhDQVe1JZ7+YDpWv7xZ45xgS9W65F+BXeRw P76uW1y5RZNNFwpTgCKnxf3d+AKpwZ/1I7xP7c5RbbDsr1xJ+7MNVvbnq3TWFfhAk627+CSTj frRBUyFutYIa2jyrvcIkjZLylrAWxTzbNoEuhcS5kMe9chhpiJY0Od4bMxa2fq6+BElcgleuK BzSndY0yesBdKljvVYr7rhTj9CxnPRYd3/GZ8Zp78xQyzWmKO1dX3syZOAkavqxhDDCgJSfBA MmeKwshhrdDSa/Hx3/6DB28WcsmCVm8oqFA8Y+x5mxDb+oeH2FXd77lYq4ezQgSeNjg0WL39g uMWjaspYLP64WzCFdr2f6Gwf//oDnKFZ6Q1w582u6dxbmRz9+s1t2e83BsxJVypVnTAaXF7M8 QF/1MoNBKI4nzUzw8o3ZeiR9Kx6xWxZv45NiUHpl1ydZbaooehdfpE6xsCg3oM6TfdoG5PJu9 MPG3v/hMHSDJ9whNVaPZMPwmvVSvlTqY4mXrOFVGzcIFpMqrT3X6jrd6D4MCKcW9Lb03O1iGm xyL0+UMtuaB9wLN5P08dwDMs2DnoIdc0Ux6Y+Zmk29pAF2y68CO4KpE+Uvn5EDBHAm+n3f2TO GBYv9CysfJbcq6HiWEIC6dT14B9AD4SMjt1xUrnR5C/FQILKx7P0Vbmw0d5AN953+RubYo+tY teizcYbMmyW6aKhu6Ql9RXcgDDW2ByD4lU/s01fVorg5bsoxxKRHwX97lwOX4kF2eUyXIrFki Q7jmuLeERvvVGuEv9xRecsNjh4BtNeI1k0/9r0fI3C7fDTSWHBo8GJ/5PZ5EQvv7hAhelof6V Fdkl0UUSHv4ZGj04ryKo9NCCE0ihHUVa+EHNTIMrRAFoNn5ckxa8TGqvWfNO94uHiQVdLI6Zh pmemIC4I0gX0UDmsIOwgeYzBISA= Subject: Re: [musl] Copyright years On Mon, Jan 09, 2023 at 03:17:02AM -0500, Rich Felker wrote: > While everyone is doing the "update the copyright year range" ritual, > I noticed we're a few years behind on this, but also that there seems > to be a new consensus that years are not needed in copyright notices. > If there are no strong objections I'd like to just go ahead and remove > the years from ours rather than bumping it. To my knowledge, the copyright notices are entirely unnecessary. Post Berne convention, you get copyright of a work by virtue of being its author, and remain owner of the copyright until you assign it to someone else, or else the protection period elapses. However, the protection period's clock doesn't even start ticking until you kick the bucket, so that is a very small concern. The Berne convention is not immediately binding law, but it has been codified into national copyright laws, which is why all of them say very similar things. And all copyright laws I'm aware of state the same thing about authorship and co-authorship. Everyone who has contributed to musl is a co-author and therefore co-owner of the copyright. The US has copyright registration, but it is not necessary to register a work to gain copyright. Rather, registration is a prerequisite for a lawsuit for copyright infringement. And in such a lawsuit, the plaintiff gets statutory damages only if the infringement occurred after registration. This is only in the US, however, and other states do not necessarily have a comparable system. Therefore the copyright notice serves little purpose beyond naming the author, but you have a separate complete list of authors. So as far as I'm concerned, you may as well remove it entirely. Ciao, Markus