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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: Andy Caldwell <andycaldwell@microsoft.com>
Cc: "musl@lists.openwall.com" <musl@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: [musl] RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [musl] [PATCH] fix avoidable segfault in catclose
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 12:27:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240126172716.GN4163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AS4PR83MB0546C4287E4459E2C0EFDD2BCB792@AS4PR83MB0546.EURPRD83.prod.outlook.com>

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 05:13:13PM +0000, Andy Caldwell wrote:
> > > > And it has been musl policy to crash on invalid args since the beginning.
> > >
> > > The current implementation doesn't (necessarily) crash/trap on an
> > > invalid argument, instead it invokes (C-language spec-defined) UB
> > > itself (it dereferences `(uint32_t*)((char*)cat) + 8)`, which, in the
> > > case of the `-1` handle is the address 0x7, which in turn, not being a
> > > valid address, is UB to dereference). If you're lucky (or are
> > > compiling without optimizations/inlining) the compiler will emit a MOV
> > > that will trigger an access violation and hence a SEGV, if
> > 
> > In general, it's impossible to test for "is this pointer valid?"
> > 
> > There are certain special cases we could test for, but unless there is a particularly
> > convincing reason that they could lead to runaway wrong
> > execution/vulnerabilities prior to naturally trapping, we have not considered
> > littering the code with these kinds of checks to be a worthwhile trade-off.
> >
> > > you're unlucky the compiler will make wild assumptions about the value
> > > of the variable passed as the arg (and for example in your first code
> > > snippet, simply delete the `if` statement, meaning `use_cat` gets
> > > called even when `catopen` fails potentially corrupting user
> > > data/state).
> > 
> > I have no idea what you're talking about there. The compiler cannot make that
> > kind of transformation (lifting code that could produce undefined behavior, side
> > effects, etc. out of a conditional).
> 
> It's a hypothetical, but something like the following is valid for the compiler to do:
> 
> * inline the catclose (e.g. in LTO for a static link)
> * consider the `if` statement and ask "what if `cat` is `-1`
> * look forward to the pointer dereference (confirming that `cat` can't change in the interim)
> * realise that `0x7` is not a valid pointer on the target platform so UB is inevitable if `cat` is `-1`
> * optimize out the comparison since UB frees the compiler of any responsibilities

You have the logic backwards. In the case where cat==(cat_t)-1,
catclose is not called on the abstract machine, so no conclusions can
be drawn from anything catclose would do.

Rich

  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-26 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-25  7:09 Ismael Luceno
2024-01-25 14:05 ` Rich Felker
2024-01-25 15:28   ` Ismael Luceno
2024-01-25 15:56     ` Rich Felker
2024-01-25 14:11 ` Markus Wichmann
2024-01-25 15:30   ` Ismael Luceno
2024-01-25 20:10   ` [musl] RE: [EXTERNAL] " Andy Caldwell
2024-01-25 21:25     ` Rich Felker
2024-01-26 17:13       ` Andy Caldwell
2024-01-26 17:27         ` Rich Felker [this message]
2024-01-26 19:12           ` Andy Caldwell
2024-01-26 19:57             ` Rich Felker
2024-01-26 20:16               ` Andy Caldwell
2024-01-27 11:04                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2024-01-27 12:58                   ` Alexander Monakov
2024-01-27 14:56                     ` Rich Felker
2024-01-27 19:20                       ` Szabolcs Nagy

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