From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6211 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2022 15:33:37 -0000 Received: from second.openwall.net (193.110.157.125) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 23 Nov 2022 15:33:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 24435 invoked by uid 550); 23 Nov 2022 15:33:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-ID: Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com Received: (qmail 24400 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2022 15:33:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shiz.me; s=20220903; t=1669217579; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=35cmkn4QJ2kXlJl2QlofstXmjk4KX5MfmLbbLjENRcM=; b=ZzNQmwFAfhh/mTbQyRthwSzm//Iy/lKR5e+rf+SVDQIsD1sa6uf+8QKi1dqyGgCBTOZgk3 uNIFeZ/3Fd18yw73ydGERzETZRnPzvaLnDVfdlsD5EJYnf2GkqArV5cln03AYz6xUckCD2 nDmHwQQmQcv4rUaB8V5dynoLrNdU0073KLRsFYX0ii5ubS2AUim7PmIl7CBGSnptkOh6ey mQD0OR1xf1YLrW1u5dIfuYMtmSkW+GcStAtU1f5Lzo8MDvtcz1lmmNyt1qsubspDU/3yL/ 6i6c9LV/+kKd5vpEODfjrP+p53dqpt3WyEzwKrMkYt0gtMzVBaJGdyfAtJw+9w== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.82.1.1\)) From: Shiz In-Reply-To: <50485f46-99d0-69ee-0882-7e403334080c@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 16:33:21 +0100 Cc: alx.manpages@gmail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <227F5B23-D17F-4675-B9CF-52BB5E4B7F34@shiz.me> References: <20221110001318.10696-1-andrew@digital-domain.net> <853fa349-8e78-8ce8-f76f-79b4b9353913@gmail.com> <50485f46-99d0-69ee-0882-7e403334080c@gmail.com> To: musl@lists.openwall.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.82.1.1) Subject: Re: [musl] [PATCH] memmem.3: Added list of known systems where this is available Hi there, > On 23 Nov Reiwa 4, at 14:16, Alejandro Colomar = wrote: >=20 >>>> - Android is not a real Unix system, in that you can't even = program in C in >>>> there, unless you're Google or have hacked your system. It's not = friendly >>>> to us programmers, so we don't need to be friendly to it. I don't = want to >>>> be cluttering the pages with information that is irrelevant to = normal users. >>>=20 >>> I'm assuming bionic is being used in some of the Android free >>> alternatives too, but then I'm not sure how usable for programming = those >>> are either. And, well musl libc is not a real Unix system you can = program >>> against either. :) >=20 > The difference is only that bionic is not in use in useful systems = (AFAIK). :) >=20 > So we have to do some decission here (and also about newlib, as = reported by Brian). I=E2=80=99d like to chime in here and note that, valuations of = usefulness aside, it *is* possible to develop in C against an Android device, without needing any = hacks, using the NDK[1]. As someone who has occasionally worked on big = codebases written in C and C++ for Android devices, I would argue there=E2=80=99s value to = be had there. :-) > Cheers, >=20 > Alex - Shiz [1]: https://developer.android.com/ndk=