From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/573 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?B?THVrYSBNYXLEjWV0acSH?= Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: License survey Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:01:41 +0100 Message-ID: <4F4100C5.2010603@gmail.com> References: <20120219041242.GR146@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1329660635 24955 80.91.229.3 (19 Feb 2012 14:10:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:10:35 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-574-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Sun Feb 19 15:10:35 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rz7TF-00050Q-3Y for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:10:33 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 18127 invoked by uid 550); 19 Feb 2012 14:10:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 18119 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2012 14:10:32 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paxcoder@gmail.com designates 10.213.10.196 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.213.10.196; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paxcoder@gmail.com designates 10.213.10.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paxcoder@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=paxcoder@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4Kf921NnBvS5I6d5ndG5EpyC8IGafou+eXX5OUc4aCk=; b=j8BWjjjByUEeVpvr1XjXWAdJ+W1DyuX608LtUt4pmp9rK0dDAwbVtHn7TPvCulzkDJ 0IJOVe7yHW4lQz7T7ws2lZ0RflywNP0MXnlbkFifMu5JMYS26MZlKw0+bMzLCOC3cAsV iepeCshX5Dm8DUtZpzYrKXrA1TVpbvlL/Bgcc= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20120216 Icedove/8.0 In-Reply-To: <20120219041242.GR146@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:573 Archived-At: On 02/19/2012 05:12 AM, Rich Felker wrote: > What would be your ideal license to see musl under? Hey Rich, Ah, you know the implications of (non)copyleft as well as we do. I'd show the flaws in reasoning of those who advocate permissive licenses, but I'm getting tired of the discussion. Instead of philosophizing about how freedom to leech is bad (oops?), I'll just present a list of facts. You and I know this, and others do too, but if I try and be objective, maybe there's some perspective to be gained on either side. I hope both sides can agree that: ° Permissiveness has a potential for more contributors and bug reports * ° Permissiveness supports development of proprietary products ° Copyleft is somewhat harder to apply, harder still to properly explain ** ° Copyleft ensures reciprocity via legal restrictions on derivatives ° GPLv3 adds restrictions on patents and tivoization * Current trend is favoring permissive projects (Webkit, LLVM, web-related tech, Apache) over GPL'd ones (GCC, Linux). Apart from the hardworking BSD community, this may be caused by companies' FUD regarding GPL, or the exact opposite - their understanding of GPL. Hopefully, free software can emancipate from proprietary software makers in the future. ** Though some free help is available from SFLC, both for explaining and enforcing (GPL). Entering the subjective mode again, just to address the second point. I am of opinion that companies, if enabled to produce non-free software based on free software, should at least compensate the community for it (or else, use another, possibly inferior, solution). In reality, however, the adoption by a commercial entity might be what brings you money. With that said, anything GPLv3-related is good in my book, but it's your decision. Not sure if this helps... Good luck, -Luka