From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/1102 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Spencer Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] makefile: add silent rules Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 09:34:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4FD8429C.6030707@barfooze.de> References: <1339564923-13703-1-git-send-email-lu_zero@gentoo.org> <1339564923-13703-2-git-send-email-lu_zero@gentoo.org> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1339572355 3088 80.91.229.3 (13 Jun 2012 07:25:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Luca Barbato To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-1103-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Wed Jun 13 09:25:54 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SehxY-00048g-C8 for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 09:25:44 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 1874 invoked by uid 550); 13 Jun 2012 07:25:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 1866 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2012 07:25:41 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110221 SUSE/3.1.8 Mail/1.0 In-Reply-To: <1339564923-13703-2-git-send-email-lu_zero@gentoo.org> Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:1102 Archived-At: On 06/13/2012 07:22 AM, Luca Barbato wrote: > make V=1 to disable them are you blind or just stubborn ? you already got your NO last time. On 06/07/2012 10:13 AM, Luca Barbato wrote: > make V=1 to disable them On 06/07/2012 03:12 PM, Igmar Palsenberg wrote: > >> make V=1 to disable them > > > This was NACK'ed a month ago. I'm with the NACK crew, I hardly find this useful, and I like fast scrolling terminals :) > > > > Igmar > > On 06/07/2012 03:18 PM, Rich Felker wrote: > On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 03:12:48PM +0200, Igmar Palsenberg wrote: >> >>> make V=1 to disable them >> >> >> This was NACK'ed a month ago. I'm with the NACK crew, I hardly find >> this useful, and I like fast scrolling terminals :) > I'm not as adamant on it, but I'm also in the group that doesn't like > this "new style" of makefile output. Most annoyingly, when something > goes wrong, you have to re-run make with V=1 to see what was actually > happening. Oftentimes I find I want to rerun a command with -S instead > of -c (to examine the generated asm) or with different CFLAGS when > dealing with an unexpected ICE or similar. On 06/07/2012 03:19 PM, John Spencer wrote: > On 06/07/2012 10:13 AM, Luca Barbato wrote: >> make V=1 to disable them >> --- >> > please see the mail georgi sent to the list at 13th may and the > followup responses. > > maybe 10% of users want a "quiet" build, so why force your preference > on anybody ? > > if it was the other way around (explicitly enable the "quiet" stuff), > i wouldn't be as opposed to this idea. > but effectively it gains you nothing except "awesome looks" *sigh*, > and adds additional bloat to the Makefile.