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From: Laurent Bercot <ska-dietlibc@skarnet.org>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add support for leap seconds in zoneinfo files
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 05:53:28 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <529588D8.3020006@skarnet.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131127042550.GI24286@brightrain.aerifal.cx>


> __secs_to_tm and __tm_to_secs are not the right places for applying
> leap seconds, because they affect gmtime, which is specified strictly
> by POSIX to have a particular relationship with time_t...

  I disagree that they are not the right place for it.

  * the point of using TAI-10 instead of UTC is to have a linear system
clock, so leap seconds must not be applied to clock_gettime() and
friends.

http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/time.html and
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap04.html#tag_04_15
are vague enough ("approximate the number of seconds that have elapsed since
the Epoch") for TAI-10 to be a compliant setup here. The numerical relationship
between number of seconds and broken-down time is not respected if there are
leap seconds, but:

  * http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/gmtime.html
makes it very clear that gmtime() should return UTC, and user applications
like "date" rely on it, so if there are leap seconds, they should definitely
be applied here;

  * POSIX followers will use posix/ timezones with 0 leap seconds anyway,
so the numerical relationship will be respected.

  To sum it up:
  - leap seconds break POSIX anyway, but should break as little as possible
  - leap second users only care about system clock time, not broken-down time
  - so gmtime() should always return UTC, this is relied on by userland so
it's more important than the exact relationship between tm and secs
  - so time() should ignore leap seconds but broken-down time should apply them
  - so the right place to apply them is in __secs_to_tm and __tm_to_secs, the
conversion routines
  - using a posix/ zone will make everything POSIX in any case.

-- 
Laurent


  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-27  5:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-26 18:53 Laurent Bercot
2013-11-26 18:59 ` Laurent Bercot
2013-11-26 23:32 ` Rich Felker
2013-11-27  1:06   ` Rich Felker
2013-11-27  4:10   ` Laurent Bercot
2013-11-27  4:25     ` Rich Felker
2013-11-27  5:53       ` Laurent Bercot [this message]
2013-11-27 18:43         ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-11-27 20:33           ` Laurent Bercot
2013-12-05  1:13             ` [PATCHv2] " Laurent Bercot
2013-12-05  5:18               ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-12-05  8:58                 ` Laurent Bercot
2013-12-05 14:21                   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-12-05 14:43               ` Rich Felker
2013-12-05 16:31                 ` Laurent Bercot
2013-12-05 16:40                   ` Rich Felker
2013-12-06  0:36                     ` Laurent Bercot
2013-12-06  0:45                       ` Rich Felker
2013-12-06  1:15                         ` Laurent Bercot
2013-12-06  5:31                           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-12-06 10:48                             ` Laurent Bercot
2013-12-06 11:38                               ` Raphael Cohn
2013-12-06 23:29                                 ` Laurent Bercot
2013-12-07  2:31                                   ` Rich Felker
2013-12-07  4:02                                     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-12-07  8:52                                     ` Laurent Bercot
2013-12-06  6:29                           ` Rich Felker
2013-12-06 10:37                             ` Laurent Bercot
2013-12-06 12:50                               ` Rich Felker
2013-12-06 13:27                                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-12-06 15:48                                   ` Rich Felker

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