From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/4334 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Laurent Bercot Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: _PATH_LASTLOG Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 20:03:24 +0000 Message-ID: <529E390C.5010206@skarnet.org> References: <20131203193407.GL24286@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1386101037 855 80.91.229.3 (3 Dec 2013 20:03:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:03:57 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-4338-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Tue Dec 03 21:04:03 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VnwCP-0003fK-PT for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 21:04:01 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 3843 invoked by uid 550); 3 Dec 2013 20:04:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 3750 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2013 20:03:17 -0000 X-SourceIP: 89.100.252.69 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 In-Reply-To: Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:4334 Archived-At: > Everything I've seen so far, including the GNU toolchain, autoconf, m4, make, libtool (uggh) and its ilk has only confirmed my prejudices > - too much ego and high theory, not enough real-world pragmatism. > Indeed, most of it seems to be more about copying what was already done without really understanding why it was done the way it was, rather than innovating... You have to remember that GNU started as, and remained, a political project, not a technical project. The point of GNU was to rewrite patent-encumbered Unix as free software: the point was not to innovate or produce quality code. You should view GNU as a proof-of-concept project, which it really started as; unfortunately, a lot of today's applications are still relying on a proof-of-concept implementation. Grats on making the switch, and welcome to the world of real, technically-focused implementations. ;) -- Laurent