From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/13682 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "A. Wilcox" Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Symbol versioning approximation trips on compat symbols Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 21:22:30 -0600 Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?Ad=c3=a9lie_Linux?= Message-ID: <5bfc537b-01f0-7cf5-4edc-802222645d38@adelielinux.org> References: <20190124014340.GV23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20190124110931.GU21289@port70.net> <87sgxi718r.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> <20190127040424.GA23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20190127093650.GB30123@example.net> <87bm41xpce.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> <547d3d67-0587-5bf7-aec3-75e51c05bfba@adelielinux.org> <20190128195225.4cb4476c@prometeo.example.org> <16896bc4812.11d91621497551.5910370235516290260@zv.io> <20190128234718.GE23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sCXFNO3m0RlHemLCoPsV1f1trd5MixswU" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="245153"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux ppc64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-13698-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Tue Jan 29 04:22:47 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by blaine.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1goJz5-0011f5-BE for gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 04:22:47 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 10158 invoked by uid 550); 29 Jan 2019 03:22:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-ID: Original-Received: (qmail 10137 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2019 03:22:44 -0000 Openpgp: preference=signencrypt In-Reply-To: <20190128234718.GE23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:13682 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --sCXFNO3m0RlHemLCoPsV1f1trd5MixswU Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="puzdAv3EGPIOeVnYoj5rtBa4dfjjqykaz"; protected-headers="v1" From: "A. Wilcox" To: musl@lists.openwall.com Message-ID: <5bfc537b-01f0-7cf5-4edc-802222645d38@adelielinux.org> Subject: Re: [musl] Symbol versioning approximation trips on compat symbols References: <20190124014340.GV23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20190124110931.GU21289@port70.net> <87sgxi718r.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> <20190127040424.GA23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20190127093650.GB30123@example.net> <87bm41xpce.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> <547d3d67-0587-5bf7-aec3-75e51c05bfba@adelielinux.org> <20190128195225.4cb4476c@prometeo.example.org> <16896bc4812.11d91621497551.5910370235516290260@zv.io> <20190128234718.GE23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx> In-Reply-To: <20190128234718.GE23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx> --puzdAv3EGPIOeVnYoj5rtBa4dfjjqykaz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/28/19 17:47, Rich Felker wrote: > On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 05:41:10PM -0600, A. Wilcox wrote: >> On 01/28/19 17:12, Zach van Rijn wrote: >>> The official community-based musl site is the Wiki [1]; >>> this might be a more appropriate venue for what you're seeking, >>> and it already does exactly what you're seeking. >>> >>> >>> [1]: https://wiki.musl-libc.org/projects-using-musl.html >> >> >> That page is also a bit of a mess. I would clean it up but I don't kn= ow >> if I have the time. >> >> It'd be nice if it had a divide between "experimental" distros and >> "production" distros, that is ones that intended to be run on a >> workstation/server vs those that are intended to be poked and prodded >> and used for research. Also, "last activity" would be nice, so you ca= n >> tell what's maintained. >> >> (It'd be cool for Ad=C3=A9lie, and probably Alpine, if the list were >> alphabetised, too ;) - but I won't push it.) >=20 > I'm not opposed to either idea, but I'm not sure how we'd define the > experimental vs production distinction. Some dists, especially > source-based ones like Sabotage, lack the selection of packages users > might expect from a production desktop or server distro, but they can > still be very suitable for production use in embedded or in small or > "more traditional" servers without all kinds of modern bloat. >=20 > Maybe it would make sense to suggest a few comparable well-known > distros for each one ("Debian-like", "Gentoo-like", "Buildroot-like", > etc.)? >=20 > Rich=20 Perhaps it would be easier to categorise into "research" and "general use= ". Research: bootstrap-linux, oasis, Snowflake General use: Ad=C3=A9lie, Alpine, Bedrock, CLFS/ELFS, Exherbo, januslinux= , LightCube, morpheus, Sabotage, TAZ, Void None of them are Debian-likes. (I might actually be personally insulted if you said Ad=C3=A9lie was a Debian-like; we do not use Apt, and we actu= ally care about Libre Software instead of just paying lipservice to it.) Also, I thought Dragora shipped an actual musl version. Maybe I'm mistak= en. Best, --arw --=20 A. 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