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From: Igmar Palsenberg <igmar@palsenberg.com>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 9/10] GLIBC ABI patches
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 20:33:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <794E4E83-2775-4DAF-8FDF-D87936250600@palsenberg.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <500EE977.70205@purdue.edu>


>>>>>> Just nonsense aliases GNU uses...
>>>>>> Needed for ABI compatability.
>>>>> could we mark them as such? at least with a comment.
>>>>> I really like that musl is so readable. This patch adds some obfuscation that can simply be countered by marking it as "ok this is only here for reason X."
>>>> I would like to see those options behind a compile time option : It bloats musl with in many cases unneeded code. I test my compiles with musl, and I like it lean and mean.
>>> These are just aliases, not code. There's no bloat there.
>>> 
>>> One of the advantages of musl is its LACK of configurability: If you have “musl”, you know what precisely you're getting.
>>> 
>>> With valediction,
>>> - Gregor Richards
>>> 
>> While I agree with the above, I still have a few objections :
>> 
>> - We don't want glibc compatibility. We want a good libc.
>> - That we even need those aliases is usually a case of bad automake / autoconf / bad feature detection.
>> 
>> Why bloat code with stuff to provide glibc compatibility ?
>> 
>> 
>> 	Igmar
> 
> “That we even need those aliases is usually a case of bad automake / autoconf / bad feature detection”
> 
> These are for ABI compatibility, not API compatibility. Nobody using glibc uses these symbols intentionally, they are renamed and aliased by the library. Last I checked, musl is shockingly close to ABI compatibility with glibc, and like it or not, that's a valuable feature. If you don't like the “bloat” of it, you'll have to dig out a lot of the existing aliases too.

I've seen lots of code who use internal glibc functions / data structures. We want to prevent them from being used, that's why I personally have a problem with adding code like this. Unless it actually serves a real use.



	Igmar

  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-24 18:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-23  1:13 [PATCH 1/10] ioperm & iopl Isaac Dunham
2012-07-23  1:17 ` [PATCH 2/10] splice Isaac Dunham
2012-07-23  1:21 ` [PATCH 3/10] xattr syscalls Isaac Dunham
2012-07-24 18:06   ` orc
2012-07-23  1:24 ` [PATCH 4/10] pipe2 Isaac Dunham
2012-07-23  1:28 ` [PATCH 5/10] __sigsetjmp alias Isaac Dunham
2012-07-23  1:32 ` [PATCH 6/10] Provide private versions of locale/ functions Isaac Dunham
2012-07-23  1:33 ` [PATCH 7/10] __fcntl Isaac Dunham
2012-07-23  1:36 ` [PATCH 8/10] finite Isaac Dunham
2012-07-23  7:58   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2012-07-23  1:38 ` [PATCH 9/10] GLIBC ABI patches Isaac Dunham
2012-07-23 15:11   ` Arvid E. Picciani
2012-07-24 18:15     ` Igmar Palsenberg
2012-07-24 18:19       ` Gregor Richards
2012-07-24 18:23         ` Igmar Palsenberg
2012-07-24 18:29           ` Gregor Richards
2012-07-24 18:33             ` Igmar Palsenberg [this message]
2012-07-24 23:18               ` Rich Felker
2012-07-25  7:27               ` Arvid E. Picciani
2012-07-25 14:12   ` Luca Barbato
2012-07-25 15:19     ` Rich Felker
2012-07-25 15:52       ` Luca Barbato
2012-07-25 17:35         ` Rich Felker
2012-07-25 23:06       ` idunham
2012-07-23  1:40 ` [PATCH 10/10] More glibc ABI compatability Isaac Dunham
2012-08-07  2:22 ` [PATCH 1/10] ioperm & iopl Isaac Dunham
2012-08-07  3:29   ` Isaac Dunham
2012-07-25  3:00 [PATCH 9/10] GLIBC ABI patches idunham
2012-07-25 15:06 ` Rich Felker
2012-07-25 22:19   ` Luca Barbato

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