From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1642 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2022 18:01:57 -0000 Received: from mother.openwall.net (195.42.179.200) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 28 Jan 2022 18:01:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 1147 invoked by uid 550); 28 Jan 2022 18:01:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-ID: Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com Received: (qmail 1108 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2022 18:01:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=dereferenced.org; s=mailbun; t=1643392902; bh=21LbxYsAWo5udWnsaQqykHvPC1KDEx3IuOVz+g8dYmM=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=iw3Qg0AZ8zCws2aJqSeffTVWjwZ5D/62Lfuk68OfqSObfs0dr8ala+EkHShhY/8o6 ENb3pN7heciCpknIlW4dtkoAhYjr5te2HuzeBJy/C0j1hgJZwK6QdNpRm6nMH8qAlu R/i+c+rCdFOpWnyfZJMj9lZtBltXTKzLBXCmZpCiP8YW8+KfeAyZ0qqlciLFjJ2AyU t1wvU9xNgDct3+gFcGSf6K/YNgRFG6eTOd/TcwrelcnrJJSeGoG4GWvdhFIV3ub/ys TzASWxPJgMU4PCVu2xK/cbQ0C290tZjH+PAM9h+B6vIGVN5VvzFWgAz9rpCsJwXG09 JuGnwmbvs7+5w== Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:01:36 -0600 (CST) From: Ariadne Conill To: musl@lists.openwall.com cc: Rich Felker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7c607b83-77e4-ddca-af86-d93308195e8@dereferenced.org> References: <20220128141049.GI7074@brightrain.aerifal.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [musl] A journey of weird file sorting and desktop systems Hi, On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, ellie wrote: > I don't think nowadays the majority of users should be expected to be > traditional *nix users with terminal knowledge anymore. And most modern > desktop distros don't default to such a sorting as far as I can tell, and > instead to en_US or alike - but all those which use musl are left stranded > with "C" sorting. The type of users who are hit most by this are not going to > be the type who know what a terminal is, what musl is, or how to voice their > opinion on LC_COLLATE because their file manager looks so weird. So if you > want them to show up here that probably won't happen. Beyond myself, I > suppose. > > I think for a typical user-friendly desktop the need is kinda clear, so I'm > not sure what other sort of setting would need to be introduced still. If > musl is meant to be used on desktop distros, this just seems kind of > mandatory, or I'm not really getting why it wouldn't be. > > My apologies however if I'm misunderstanding, but that was basically your > question/what you're saying is delaying it, right? Sorry if you didn't want > further input from me on this, I hope I read your e-mail right LC_COLLATE is a desired feature in musl, but getting it right is going to take some work. We should want to be careful about it because we want to avoid having giant tables, or some plug-in architecture like GLIBC has, which was recently at the center of the pwnkit debacle. Ariadne