From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24445 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2023 15:35:03 -0000 Received: from second.openwall.net (193.110.157.125) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Jul 2023 15:35:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 7745 invoked by uid 550); 7 Jul 2023 15:35:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-ID: Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com Received: (qmail 7707 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2023 15:34:59 -0000 X-Proofpoint-GUID: nR9oqwBUgg8O8OE_BrEiJBLLHejiiwYI X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: nR9oqwBUgg8O8OE_BrEiJBLLHejiiwYI X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.591,18.0.957 definitions=2023-07-07_10:2023-07-06,2023-07-07 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=interactive_user_notspam policy=interactive_user score=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=356 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2305260000 definitions=main-2307070144 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apple.com; h=from : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version : subject : date : references : to : in-reply-to : message-id; s=20180706; bh=jQ+ZttoUWRrjzBqR2xPdFl02/AldmD1cRD4irG7nywI=; b=rDB/z8Yw0UK1qyXq9q1JYBks/II2nwoU0Cp9KCAp3GoLsFy2XaCB8RSxo5KX22MErpp0 DIYpjhhZE18dhJM87/boDRXJFVrBqoF2X6ZlFHs2gP7brztNanSNcK+O1dD0Z145DMvn BHrDnLngwW8oew6qVu4v4EwCH4qqGHmydVmVb1PwoEznmFji08e5nFbydRoLzgOsJ2iO SkIkn9N774I0DmwbiP3GSVRqFfvGM0V/8tbWRAMp1EGkOATFY2m+GxmPznDBL/Cv4tPf nj7M+ZO7g5/nLGTKm74yCZHIi7hl2SyvkNn3Lr/Q2vtOB6sr0xB7izPLb7gc9z35k2NX Wg== X-Va-A: X-Va-T-CD: 14dc138f66d48087821ca031f1b11e6a X-Va-E-CD: 56ab0e176e6e23b7c0c7f8bb71e3663a X-Va-R-CD: d86870e6d2b7150a65f5397c4f4f694c X-Va-ID: 6a59ffee-185f-46b9-9d43-753a2956c7e8 X-Va-CD: 0 X-V-A: X-V-T-CD: 14dc138f66d48087821ca031f1b11e6a X-V-E-CD: 56ab0e176e6e23b7c0c7f8bb71e3663a X-V-R-CD: d86870e6d2b7150a65f5397c4f4f694c X-V-ID: 3ad71c32-cbc3-4fea-a563-940c64e8aca5 X-V-CD: 0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.591,18.0.957 definitions=2023-07-07_10:2023-07-06,2023-07-07 signatures=0 From: Alastair Houghton Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3767.100.2\)) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 16:34:37 +0100 References: <309EDCC9-2402-46B5-BDBD-B96677E470DD@apple.com> <20230707124722.GE4163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <054B1907-817E-496D-9F83-7FBE7AB0111A@apple.com> To: musl@lists.openwall.com In-reply-to: Message-id: <829DB43D-E38A-4949-A0BE-B487279E4FC4@apple.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3767.100.2) Subject: Re: [musl] __MUSL__ macro On 7 Jul 2023, at 16:19, Markus Wichmann wrote: >=20 > Yes, it makes people write worse code. Not making the macros available > makes people write more portable code, which is a good thing. The people who would have misused the macros will simply find another = way to detect musl that you=E2=80=99ll like even less (look at the Stack = Overflow post we both mentioned; it=E2=80=99s literally the top answer). Not making the macros available doesn=E2=80=99t stop people writing bad = code, nor does making them available force anyone to write bad code. Anyway, I=E2=80=99ve said enough on the subject. Kind regards, Alastair.