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From: Alexey Izbyshev <izbyshev@ispras.ru>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [musl] Illegal killlock skipping when transitioning to single-threaded state
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 19:23:48 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <887d459e35e771767465267e578a8490@ispras.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221005143730.GT29905@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

On 2022-10-05 17:37, Rich Felker wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 05, 2022 at 10:03:03AM -0400, Rich Felker wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 05, 2022 at 03:10:09PM +0300, Alexey Izbyshev wrote:
>> > On 2022-10-05 04:00, Rich Felker wrote:
>> > >On Wed, Sep 07, 2022 at 03:46:53AM +0300, Alexey Izbyshev wrote:
>> > >>Reordering the "libc.need_locks = -1" assignment and
>> > >>UNLOCK(E->killlock) and providing a store barrier between them
>> > >>should fix the issue.
>> > >
>> > >Back to this, because it's immediately actionable without resolving
>> > >the aarch64 atomics issue:
>> > >
>> > >Do you have something in mind for how this reordering is done, since
>> > >there are other intervening steps that are potentially ordered with
>> > >respect to either or both? I don't think there is actually any
>> > >ordering constraint at all on the unlocking of killlock (with the
>> > >accompanying assignment self->tid=0 kept with it) except that it be
>> > >past the point where we are committed to the thread terminating
>> > >without executing any more application code. So my leaning would be to
>> > >move this block from the end of pthread_exit up to right after the
>> > >point-of-no-return comment.
>> > >
>> > This was my conclusion as well back when I looked at it before
>> > sending the report.
>> >
>> > I was initially concerned about whether reordering with
>> > a_store(&self->detach_state, DT_EXITED) could cause an unwanted
>> > observable change (pthread_tryjoin_np() returning EBUSY after a
>> > pthread function acting on tid like pthread_getschedparam() returns
>> > ESRCH), but no, pthread_tryjoin_np() will block/trap if the thread
>> > is not DT_JOINABLE.
>> >
>> > >Unfortunately while reading this I found another bug, this time a lock
>> > >order one. __dl_thread_cleanup() takes a lock while the thread list
>> > >lock is already held, but fork takes these in the opposite order. I
>> > >think the lock here could be dropped and replaced with an atomic-cas
>> > >list head, but that's rather messy and I'm open to other ideas.
>> > >
>> > I'm not sure why using a lock-free list is messy, it seems like a
>> > perfect fit here to me.
>> 
>> Just in general I've tried to reduce the direct use of atomics and use
>> high-level primitives, because (as this thread is evidence of) I find
>> the reasoning about direct use of atomics and their correctness to be
>> difficult and inaccessible to a lot of people who would otherwise be
>> successful readers of the code. But you're right that it's a "good
>> match" for the problem at hand.
>> 
>> > However, doesn't __dl_vseterr() use the libc-internal allocator
>> > after  34952fe5de44a833370cbe87b63fb8eec61466d7? If so, the problem
>> > that freebuf_queue was originally solving doesn't exist anymore. We
>> > still can't call the allocator after __tl_lock(), but maybe this
>> > whole free deferral approach can be reconsidered?
>> 
>> I almost made that change when the MT-fork changes were done, but
>> didn't because it was wrong. I'm not sure if I documented this
>> anywhere (it might be in mail threads related to that or IRC) but it
>> was probably because it would need to take malloc locks with the
>> thread list lock held, which isn't allowed.
>> 
>> It would be nice if we could get rid of the deferred freeing here, but
>> I don't see a good way. The reason we can't free the buffer until
>> after the thread list lock is taken is that it's only freeable if this
>> isn't the last exiting thread. If it is the last exiting thread, the
>> buffer contents still need to be present for the atexit handlers to
>> see. And whether this is the last exiting thread is only
>> stable/determinate as long as the thread list lock is held.
> 
> Proposed patch with atomic list attached, along with a stupid test
> program (to be run under a debugger to see anything happening).
> 
The patch looks good to me, and the program does the expected thing for 
me when linked with the patched musl.

Inclusion of "lock.h" and "fork_impl.h" can also be removed from 
dlerror.c.

Alexey

      reply	other threads:[~2022-10-05 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-07  0:46 Alexey Izbyshev
2022-09-19 15:29 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-03  6:16   ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-03 12:33     ` Rich Felker
2022-10-03 13:26     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-10-03 21:27       ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-10-03 22:54         ` Rich Felker
2022-10-03 23:05           ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04 13:50             ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-04 14:12               ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04 14:19                 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04 15:43                   ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-04 15:57                     ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04 18:15                       ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-04 23:21                         ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04 16:24                 ` James Y Knight
2022-10-04 16:45                   ` Rich Felker
2022-10-05 13:52                     ` James Y Knight
2022-10-04 16:01               ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-04  2:58         ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04  3:00           ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04  4:59             ` Rich Felker
2022-10-04  8:16               ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-10-04 10:18               ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-04  5:16         ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-04  8:31           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-10-04 10:28             ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-05  1:00 ` Rich Felker
2022-10-05 12:10   ` Alexey Izbyshev
2022-10-05 14:03     ` Rich Felker
2022-10-05 14:37       ` Rich Felker
2022-10-05 16:23         ` Alexey Izbyshev [this message]

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