From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from second.openwall.net (second.openwall.net [193.110.157.125]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B07BF23259 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2024 02:58:13 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 20284 invoked by uid 550); 9 Mar 2024 01:54:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-ID: Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com Received: (qmail 20243 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2024 01:54:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sonic.net; s=net23; t=1709949448; bh=k7Vt7NP/fkCN1qzB64d7Zg7pwiNC6/eDczLO+wEWK7U=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date:Message-Id:To:From:Subject; b=BPhrf16dMoXShCn5BVS/ErPTljUVX2UXSyJJuz1kRjXk46pdAV78t4DHORdDEcJOq qgUUlKTE1mRvbek1y2M580yBYfkvegQ/mRZCiovwHz6BD4Hu+czVYwwaRJOTs19mla 7JWJBxDyOvG9llVR0WHnXO5RiP53FqxN7hDOfY5r8d/OgzK9SyXO6+p9L9r5j4O64Y Q18t1bykRyoyLIAT306lKXOFmiW+5HPE9LmneO6QGmwf5h7ZQF/NwgCVF75sg1bpgy hNkYDJ5hoylRdMpcUrgs14+oDF47+kqaO7IAV49u2+8CWiQ4npv8baRVQzxYr2r589 R5IRZpV/hje0A== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) From: Guy Harris In-Reply-To: <20240308190243.GP4163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 17:57:14 -0800 Cc: Paul Eggert , Time zone mailing list , musl@lists.openwall.com, James Cloos Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <87edcqv69m.fsf@hope.eyrie.org> <20240305201247.GE4163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <87wmqgpfcq.fsf@hope.eyrie.org> <87r0gopc9g.fsf@hope.eyrie.org> <77902F3C-198B-49BD-AB75-383A7FF45548@sonic.net> <87msrcpayi.fsf@hope.eyrie.org> <20240308190243.GP4163@brightrain.aerifal.cx> To: Rich Felker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVam7q/QJ2j5gW8l3E6d6EjJECy/Ny/rthF1/aTgypOf8CeLBaPSsy9AQs2j1f6xo5HG7trfrseJXZcapFmlkLPD X-Sonic-ID: C;yCohYLjd7hGHrL8SP63e0g== M;rmZKYLjd7hGHrL8SP63e0g== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: -0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Subject: [musl] Re: [tz] [musl] Re: Weird PST8PDT and EST5EDT behavior on Alpine Linux On Mar 8, 2024, at 11:02 AM, Rich Felker via tz wrote: > It's not so much that we ignore it (it's present in tzname[1], and > would get applied if you use mktime with tm_isdst=3D1), just that, in > the absence of a transition rule for it, it's never considered active. > I don't think this is a particularly good behavior (even though it is > allowed by POSIX) but nothing great has been proposed as an > alternative. The executive summary of this thread appears to be: Use XXXnnnYYY TZ settings at your own risk, as there's no = guarantee how they'll behave. If you want predictable behavior, either = use POSIX settings or, if tzdb is present, tzdb settings.