From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/7046 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jukka_Jyl=C3=A4nki?= Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Please consider setting up a bug tracker? Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:32:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20150215161609.GQ23507@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1136e84ac517c9050f23032e X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1424017977 19749 80.91.229.3 (15 Feb 2015 16:32:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:32:57 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-7059-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Sun Feb 15 17:32:48 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YN27k-0002oV-6a for gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:32:48 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 7601 invoked by uid 550); 15 Feb 2015 16:32:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 7494 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2015 16:32:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=J0KSFdVZIs1TZ7I2nn33ZSaWB11HcK1+viwenREtJtc=; b=bSHw/VbuFIrTvVd8alKeU1UqJzEv4odr28Tl/E5MoIPudmQK6f9TTp3cS/QqBh0LYN WXSvR4t6qxeRbdD+JzLhfZa/Kfr5BDNvFHf+6vNnkIsepWvuCFqTi/hFLgONFkVNzSwe fE+w29QmbzpyA9hcrroXPBuYYEKvi+buTytNiudCCYj3YLZnw1aZ7ksfiDHhwYxkWkbI kwCUQxIjUL7dFImOfkQg6TRyFaHOf24xJEMtFumHBhCKIGbQvGLljI2fGvVMkh1iDbGI vJB3KYegqGXLCKyPB6bIDN5j/lgjNJd+h7MHDmmerxdSyj9uCJrUb+e14XWDVBTLnyvL xLYg== X-Received: by 10.140.144.205 with SMTP id 196mr5818813qhq.53.1424017945071; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 08:32:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20150215161609.GQ23507@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:7046 Archived-At: --001a1136e84ac517c9050f23032e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, submitting without registering to the list sounds good, I'll do that then. As for github, adjectives like "utterly hideous", "slow as molasses" and "often down" are of course subjective opinions, so I don't have any say on that, but can I ask what kind of integration limitations it has that are needed? Also, I haven't used cgit - what makes it better than GitHub in your opinion? 2015-02-15 18:16 GMT+02:00 Rich Felker : > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 05:22:32PM +0200, Jukka Jyl=C3=A4nki wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just recently registered to the musl mailing list to report a bug, > since > > the FAQ here http://www.musl-libc.org/faq.html mentioned that there is > no > > separate tracker to report bugs to. > > > > Afterwards, I now realize that this was a bad idea, since the sheer > amount > > of uninteresting emails that I began getting make it difficult to filte= r > > out the discussion around musl from the potential discussion to the bug= I > > reported, and I find it simplest to unregister from the mailing list > after > > reporting the bug. However, this kind of "fire and forget" bug reportin= g > > feels bad, and I lose the way to keep in touch with the communication > > around the bug. > > > > I see that the issue of setting up a bug tracker has already been > discussed > > before here http://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2014/09/05/1 . Has > anything > > changed with this respect? > > No, but I want a bug/patch tracker more than ever right now. There > have been a lot of patches (and a few bug reports) coming in lately > and it's hard to keep track of them all manually. So far bugzilla is > probably the main candidate, but I also looked at a few others. I'd > welcome input on what works well (both from a user standpoint and from > an implementation-quality/hosting-considerations standpoint). > > As for having to subscribe to the list right now, you don't need to. > You can report bugs as a non-subscriber. Mail goes to a moderation > queue but I'll approve it. Please just include a note if you want to > be CC'd on replies. > > > My recommendation would be to just set up a github repository and use t= he > > github workflow of issues and pull requests for development, since that > is > > extremely popular for modern open source development and works well als= o > > for non-core developers to chime in to the fun. > > Not going to happen. github is utterly hideous to work with. It's slow > as molasses (the web ui), often down, and doesn't integrate well with > other tools. They also have the absolute worst web-based git repo > browser, which is completely unjustifiable when the best one (cgit) is > free and essentially included with git. > > Rich > --001a1136e84ac517c9050f23032e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh, submitting without registering to the list sounds good= , I'll do that then.

As for github, adjectives like = "utterly hideous", "slow as molasses" and "often d= own" are of course subjective opinions, so I don't have any say on= that, but can I ask what kind of integration limitations it has that are n= eeded? Also, I haven't used cgit - what makes it better than GitHub in = your opinion?

2015-02-15 18:16 GMT+02:00 Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>:
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015= at 05:22:32PM +0200, Jukka Jyl=C3=A4nki wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just recently registered to the musl mailing list to report a bug, s= ince
> the FAQ here http://www.musl-libc.org/faq.html mentioned that there is no
> separate tracker to report bugs to.
>
> Afterwards, I now realize that this was a bad idea, since the sheer am= ount
> of uninteresting emails that I began getting make it difficult to filt= er
> out the discussion around musl from the potential discussion to the bu= g I
> reported, and I find it simplest to unregister from the mailing list a= fter
> reporting the bug. However, this kind of "fire and forget" b= ug reporting
> feels bad, and I lose the way to keep in touch with the communication<= br> > around the bug.
>
> I see that the issue of setting up a bug tracker has already been disc= ussed
> before here http://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2014/09/05/1 . H= as anything
> changed with this respect?

No, but I want a bug/patch tracker more than ever right now. There have been a lot of patches (and a few bug reports) coming in lately
and it's hard to keep track of them all manually. So far bugzilla is probably the main candidate, but I also looked at a few others. I'd
welcome input on what works well (both from a user standpoint and from
an implementation-quality/hosting-considerations standpoint).

As for having to subscribe to the list right now, you don't need to. You can report bugs as a non-subscriber. Mail goes to a moderation
queue but I'll approve it. Please just include a note if you want to be CC'd on replies.

> My recommendation would be to just set up a github repository and use = the
> github workflow of issues and pull requests for development, since tha= t is
> extremely popular for modern open source development and works well al= so
> for non-core developers to chime in to the fun.

Not going to happen. github is utterly hideous to work with. It'= s slow
as molasses (the web ui), often down, and doesn't integrate well with other tools. They also have the absolute worst web-based git repo
browser, which is completely unjustifiable when the best one (cgit) is
free and essentially included with git.

Rich

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