From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/4337 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Raphael Cohn Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: _PATH_LASTLOG Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:11:57 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20131203193407.GL24286@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <529E390C.5010206@skarnet.org> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134a45c8dbfca04eca6e896 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1386101523 7172 80.91.229.3 (3 Dec 2013 20:12:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:12:03 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-4341-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Tue Dec 03 21:12:10 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VnwKI-0008Gz-8q for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 21:12:10 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 9698 invoked by uid 550); 3 Dec 2013 20:12:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 9671 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2013 20:12:09 -0000 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=b/cysJRfpoxVxfKePH7uGDKV+lsHE77oeTHA8kP2Xfg=; b=ClNMg560OMVJHmvtRBwWly9iMWUp3F58Y/Q7MijWiLR0xovfQqtaCYuIQCTV+DwaGN zQea6PEQW6UguF2L8rACHuKjiCz11PPhoFVwsNU4zaBG4YXPTyWs+12f+6V+4fxzfSiD tC85EtSkOiPWCN574rf3bhv2n8sqetSjEGMDM6L0NnkP+x4xAJKeYDBmtM3Wx22VKA9I o+wmUl4hrToAAcsweACqanqIjWSg1zGjIJMyj9ogS5qzz1AbiHK7TQy2azWhc7EHfGM4 O+kNZ3fel7Q+Ob9ZnxEfWNxwoVx+Y8Vu9R/7ctKcOGpTexA3JL5zBk06yVSKblVukiKs CV6g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmW1SllRGqsYko+b1NUkdpsD4q2Bj56VSBHHGB9Im8sb63TsgNJWJrj5z02mwAA2UufyVQK X-Received: by 10.183.3.102 with SMTP id bv6mr60961709obd.18.1386101517166; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:11:57 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2001:8b0:862:b944:a534:c887:3b4d:f028] In-Reply-To: <529E390C.5010206@skarnet.org> Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:4337 Archived-At: --001a1134a45c8dbfca04eca6e896 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes, I very much accept that. Email isn't the best way for me of communicating a lot of thought in a few words! Raphael Cohn Chief Architect, stormmq Co-Chair, OASIS MQTT Standard Secretary, OASIS AMQP Standard raphael.cohn@stormmq.com +44 7590 675 756 UK Office: Hamblethorpe Farm, Crag Lane, Bradley BD20 9DB, North Yorkshire, United Kingdom Telephone: +44 845 3712 567 Registered office: 16 Anchor Street, Chelmsford, Essex, CM2 0JY, United Kingdom StormMQ Limited is Registered in England and Wales under Company Number 07175657 StormMQ.com On 3 December 2013 20:03, Laurent Bercot wrote: > > Everything I've seen so far, including the GNU toolchain, autoconf, m4, >> make, libtool (uggh) and its ilk has only confirmed my prejudices >> - too much ego and high theory, not enough real-world pragmatism. >> Indeed, most of it seems to be more about copying what was already done >> without really understanding why it was done the way it was, rather than >> innovating... >> > > You have to remember that GNU started as, and remained, a political > project, not a > technical project. The point of GNU was to rewrite patent-encumbered Unix > as free > software: the point was not to innovate or produce quality code. You > should view > GNU as a proof-of-concept project, which it really started as; > unfortunately, a lot > of today's applications are still relying on a proof-of-concept > implementation. > > Grats on making the switch, and welcome to the world of real, > technically-focused > implementations. ;) > > -- > Laurent > > --001a1134a45c8dbfca04eca6e896 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, I very much accept that. Email isn't the best way= for me of communicating a lot of thought in a few words!

Raphael Cohn
Chief Architect, = stormmq
Co-Chair, OASIS MQTT Standard
Secretary, OASIS AMQP Standard
raphael.cohn@sto= rmmq.com
+44 7590 675 756

UK Office:
Hamble= thorpe Farm, Crag Lane, Bradley BD20 9DB, North Yorkshire, United Kingdom Telephone: +44 845 3712 567

Registered office:
16 Anchor Street, Chelmsford, E= ssex, CM2 0JY, United Kingdom
StormMQ Limited is Registered in En= gland and Wales under Company Number 07175657
StormMQ.com


On 3 December 2013 20:03, Laurent Bercot= <ska-dietlibc@skarnet.org> wrote:

Everything I've seen so far, including the GNU toolchain, autoconf, m4,= make, libtool (uggh) and its ilk has only confirmed my prejudices
=C2=A0- too much ego and high theory, not enough real-world pragmatism.
Indeed, most of it seems to be more about copying what was already done wit= hout really understanding why it was done the way it was, rather than innov= ating...

=C2=A0You have to remember that GNU started as, and remained, a political p= roject, not a
technical project. The point of GNU was to rewrite patent-encumbered Unix a= s free
software: the point was not to innovate or produce quality code. You should= view
GNU as a proof-of-concept project, which it really started as; unfortunatel= y, a lot
of today's applications are still relying on a proof-of-concept impleme= ntation.

=C2=A0Grats on making the switch, and welcome to the world of real, technic= ally-focused
implementations. ;)

--
=C2=A0Laurent


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