From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/7020 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Raphael Cohn Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: What would make musl 1.2? Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:27:45 +0530 Message-ID: References: <20150213074603.GA975@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <1836.1423820294@CATHET.us> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33d4f2b1c5e1050ef5448e X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423821515 10130 80.91.229.3 (13 Feb 2015 09:58:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:58:35 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-7033-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Fri Feb 13 10:58:30 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YMD13-0005cA-Mh for gllmg-musl@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:58:29 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 21915 invoked by uid 550); 13 Feb 2015 09:58:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 21655 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2015 09:57:57 -0000 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9aepIatatkFK4WAgogBKx0xlNzBDh9wZuAD3R8Cj8Ho=; b=mrfzPSYkkjly6fw9YXGKIf/xgU7UiGURIGjVHIID0PCfvYX/bEg07HXdsKuThWsIIM 608T8PLGT+6n6D+OMkNL+qYDuyPBDemS6KTPsigCH/dRsvXTVf+W+3p9Q69xwMdhqope ao9x0A5KEAz9MnR3LUNoHU2cOwy4ChFNgW63CqYUFEFom4RmtlfZeZTKj0ORTMO0ZTZw u7NwmRhfD6z3lMBawZSBhGpHLG79GG9pg5dhNfp8Cxxw06yZJcMCqsNEW++mgVW6zlnS Y7TBvNbGnIhIJ3NdY/bClgfveoyJNMleQJEp8Wp1fsW2Mx7jYuwVRSf8EDyyeOe+hS3k kGow== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmHejYEBC+otTDfdk0ULF04bwbXJ9jE7i4t0k3tKynoha3HvVp9dFsrCcysJOKsef668kMc X-Received: by 10.60.23.37 with SMTP id j5mr5776139oef.25.1423821465822; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 01:57:45 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [117.223.141.113] In-Reply-To: Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:7020 Archived-At: --047d7b33d4f2b1c5e1050ef5448e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Actually, answering my own question - a quick back of the packet calculation suggests about 8,500 packages in OpenBSD, vs 65,000+ for Debian - although it does depend how you count. And there are a lot more 'unofficial' Debian repos and packages, too... There's no doubt that OpenBSD includes the most popular. On 13 February 2015 at 15:20, Raphael Cohn wrote: > Do they use a third party support lib? > > If it's possible to support use cases with a third party lib, then I'm > less concerned - provided that that lib also works with musl. Given the > nature of ucontext, that may not be so. A musl native solution would be > optimal for performance - and performance is a common reason for going down > this route. It allows for far greater scale in certain server designs then > either thread-per-connection or a thread-pool can do. > > Out of interest, how many packages are in the OpenBSD repository? How does > it compare to Debian's, say? For me, Debian's repo contents is a yardstick > of what Linux + Musl could be expected to work with. > > > On 13 February 2015 at 15:08, Anthony J. Bentley > wrote: > >> Raphael Cohn writes: >> > Is there any possibility of adding in the ucontext.h functions? I know >> > they're deprecated, but they're still widely used - particularly by go >> for >> > goroutines, IIRC. >> >> It's worth mentioning that OpenBSD doesn't have ucontext, so given the >> size of its package repository (which also contains Go), ucontext can't >> be *that* widely used. >> >> -- >> Anthony J. Bentley >> > > --047d7b33d4f2b1c5e1050ef5448e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually, answering my own question - a quick back of the = packet calculation suggests about 8,500 packages in OpenBSD, vs 65,000+ for= Debian - although it does depend how you count. And there are a lot more &= #39;unofficial' Debian repos and packages, too... There's no doubt = that OpenBSD includes the most popular.
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On 13 February 2015 at 15:20, Raphael Cohn <= span dir=3D"ltr"><raphael.cohn@stormmq.com> wrote:
Do they use a third party support lib?<= br>
If it's possible to support use cases with a third party lib, th= en I'm less concerned - provided that that lib also works with musl. Gi= ven the nature of ucontext, that may not be so. A musl native solution woul= d be optimal for performance - and performance is a common reason for going= down this route. It allows for far greater scale in certain server designs= then either thread-per-connection or a thread-pool can do.

Ou= t of interest, how many packages are in the OpenBSD repository? How does it= compare to Debian's, say? For me, Debian's repo contents is a yard= stick of what Linux + Musl could be expected to work with.

<= br>
On 13 February 2015 at 15:08, Anthony J. Bent= ley <anthony@cathet.us> wrote:
Raphael Cohn writes:
> Is there any possibility of adding in the ucontext.h functions? I know=
> they're deprecated, but they're still widely used - particular= ly by go for
> goroutines, IIRC.

It's worth mentioning that OpenBSD doesn't have ucontext, so= given the
size of its package repository (which also contains Go), ucontext can't=
be *that* widely used.

--
Anthony J. Bentley


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