From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/3668 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: LM Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: embedded newbies site. Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:07:31 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1373940214.3719.5@driftwood> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0160d0e22cf95104e1b3f042 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1374062864 6223 80.91.229.3 (17 Jul 2013 12:07:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:07:44 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-3672-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Wed Jul 17 14:07:47 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UzQWI-0005T1-KD for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:07:46 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 13345 invoked by uid 550); 17 Jul 2013 12:07:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 13337 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2013 12:07:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SWGlJ5IOdMiDhC5bQneU/nMplZCDt3mXM1ey8lOEKek=; b=A9xfFTmNuiSgv99iRFIkx/PXrQuO1smxVBZ/ShsN+fpVRF3amIFK7X218SPg88zNoh ELHjQlkecf8MDXMBMUoebWL37pJXQCEmo6BiQmWhKCjcJh1aWywFbjKThxIDiIBushki AXzsuYR2VIKgAAVDYrLuL7/z7G1kw8qJtH2sjaC4FbczafYvVyvmUNxW4DqtDizu15gR ZP1KZ0nWra5GnIKGrCuzsNY9JvPWda1XMy/6ePfob+jXEjXSCbUW/1wychFvlGfw9ZeX U9dWThzP1G5wkoqyXTvzZWA0oAnR8ku4oPTqdLEZg9BbR07glhFRsg58FVZMGKiGdb83 JNYA== X-Received: by 10.15.45.194 with SMTP id b42mr6185992eew.51.1374062851704; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 05:07:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:3668 Archived-At: --089e0160d0e22cf95104e1b3f042 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Strake wrote: > > - efficient (elegant) programming > > - Why C and scritpting languages, why NOT C++ and autoconf > > - tradeoffs > > - code reuse > > - transaction granularity > > - taking advantage of SMP without going crazy > > I would be glad to help here. > > May find some ideas here: > http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/ > I hope I didn't open up a can of worms with my last question on PCRE library versus other regex libraries, but I think it at least lead to some useful information for the wiki about musl's regex implementation and an interesting point about NetBSD using TRE and a possibility of sharing bug fixes with that project. So, I'll just mention this in passing for those who are interested in C++ in addition to C. (If you prefer C only, feel free to ignore it.) There's a thread I thought was interesting regarding using C++ with embedded systems over on LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/groups/C-firmware-development-embedded-system-37565.S.252210483?view=&srchtype=discussedNews&gid=37565&item=252210483&type=member&trk=eml-anet_dig-b_pd-ttl-hdp&fromEmail=&ut=3UNSr99M7Ts5Q1 Hope something takes off with Rob Landley's suggestion about a site for embedded Linux from Scratch information. I'd be very interested in seeing further information on pros and cons and efficiencies of using various libraries and applications (like make style utilities, bash-like shells, etc.). Would also be useful to know what's been done, what could be redone better, what's in progress, etc. Seems like there's a very good knowledge base from the people on the musl mailing list and the members give more informative responses (regarding performance, efficiency, algorithms, what's already been coded) than many of the posts I read on some of the LFS mailing lists. It's especially helpful when you don't have time to comb through all the code of the various implementations available to just be able to ask others who have already investigated and found good working solutions what they recommend. I'd be very interested in hearing opinions and pros and cons on other utilities and libraries. However, it just feels off-topic to ask on this list since it's more peripherally related to using musl even though the most interesting responses would probably come from here. lfs has a chat list for topics that don't fall into the other lfs mailing categories. Maybe something similar could be useful or maybe some resource for newbies to embedded systems could fill the purpose. Sincerely, Laura --089e0160d0e22cf95104e1b3f042 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Strake <str= ake888@gmail.com> wrote:
> - efficient (elegant) programming
> =A0 =A0- Why C and scritpting languages, why NOT C++ and autoconf
> =A0 =A0- tradeoffs
> =A0 =A0 =A0- code reuse
> =A0 =A0 =A0- transaction granularity
> =A0 =A0 =A0- taking advantage of SMP without going crazy

I would be glad to help here.

May find some ideas here:
http://har= mful.cat-v.org/software/

I hope I didn't open up a can of worms with my l= ast question on PCRE library versus other regex libraries, but I think it a= t least lead to some useful information for the wiki about musl's regex= implementation and an interesting point about NetBSD using TRE and a possi= bility of sharing bug fixes with that project.=A0 So, I'll just mention= this in passing for those who are interested in C++ in addition to C.=A0 (= If you prefer C only, feel free to ignore it.)=A0 There's a thread I th= ought was interesting regarding using C++ with embedded systems over on Lin= kedIn http://www.linkedin.com/= groups/C-firmware-development-embedded-system-37565.S.252210483?view=3D&= ;srchtype=3DdiscussedNews&gid=3D37565&item=3D252210483&type=3Dm= ember&trk=3Deml-anet_dig-b_pd-ttl-hdp&fromEmail=3D&ut=3D3UNSr99= M7Ts5Q1

Hope something takes off with Rob Landley's suggestion about a site= for embedded Linux from Scratch information.=A0 I'd be very interested= in seeing further information on pros and cons and efficiencies of using v= arious libraries and applications (like make style utilities, bash-like she= lls, etc.).=A0 Would also be useful to know what's been done, what coul= d be redone better, what's in progress, etc.=A0 Seems like there's = a very good knowledge base from the people on the musl mailing list and the= members give more informative responses (regarding performance, efficiency= , algorithms, what's already been coded) than many of the posts I read = on some of the LFS mailing lists.=A0 It's especially helpful when you d= on't have time to comb through all the code of the various implementati= ons available to just be able to ask others who have already investigated a= nd found good working solutions what they recommend.=A0 I'd be very int= erested in hearing opinions and pros and cons on other utilities and librar= ies.=A0 However, it just feels off-topic to ask on this list since it's= more peripherally related to using musl even though the most interesting r= esponses would probably come from here.=A0 lfs has a chat list for topics t= hat don't fall into the other lfs mailing categories.=A0 Maybe somethin= g similar could be useful or maybe some resource for newbies to embedded sy= stems could fill the purpose.

Sincerely,
Laura

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