From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24271 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2020 02:57:49 -0000 Received: from mother.openwall.net (195.42.179.200) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 30 Jun 2020 02:57:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 24132 invoked by uid 550); 30 Jun 2020 02:57:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-ID: Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com Received: (qmail 24114 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2020 02:57:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bBDUNZ05n6OFgJJnKezMuwdbsAd/y0fsNQInPZ3T3Qw=; b=N+Z629cCF6j9rU9UnQbb7mF7d81WAUxH1x29g0VW580yYfN9dQFKmIbqRibCLc9dhb /uO+wyXsYfZNrk1JG+V/Elkkj+0wnipgXTUDczOxveYjgYe/sTEsHj3pP3qFva1Nw7Fl EjguYNvbBmX83neJhjL4UK11JkyF8v1GcEXf5Xbd0ey7X/FXR8Jzdb0mKZo8ieHlaPyX wBS2L9fQ4A0Z0ttTvpU6mAgfKSo3BaqHShpm4B7/bBKOx8L8KvOFH9WLBTT2lVLhK/3J twJb4ocm8JrwBXqA31W0leDfyfbhp+zcng6X76ng/0GaBAgrN4ZN1p0EFohR+lhN1pJp yeuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=bBDUNZ05n6OFgJJnKezMuwdbsAd/y0fsNQInPZ3T3Qw=; b=jQGL7AQKRVvbN3iBvmh5o3e7SJH/IN2aOVW3U15Lc3z5lR9dQsUYEt7TQJ2fAhBA4F xs49ln6V87M8o2w3lZNLClA7RdpkTW4JDP+2Q1BnRpfrVDLxjsdCuD9gZlFVu42zpF1K EPrufwdSHOOpNEYiM/2fbJSC6YN8zxYLQk3RJzooZKhBGBepquGfVgj/AmhzaSwLy522 znOtwRLKMt+ritHRAA7aOuY7SqIi0gKjsIcdh2MSrq7cFxdFc+ibzFSFHXt1Oy5qLXyz 5MGeXnqvpK79kQ9rbPtLivQwb+o5fOp/ZgGS2G4Spv+YOAQPRuDJrTURntpQ2C28PcZe eLCQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533KKTuiz0zT/Zvgzhrs8w6V3EkK0Pb/sdNidZ3uBHXH+owY8zxy 31fkOTkRyx/hOB6Liiv3srvnWFAr3dN8OhNtoiRRMw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwaLwFnVY+tYta6U5eCSZUZwcKOvYEBZZSfW/D8rIn4kKo4rc7qY5iqcwj2oHkM29HI4IU7YqkGavzYpFhc8c0= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:5642:: with SMTP id z2mr13338873uaa.6.1593485850728; Mon, 29 Jun 2020 19:57:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <32b4-5ef9e500-33-6d961680@199533904> <1593463562766.15318@trust-in-soft.com> In-Reply-To: <1593463562766.15318@trust-in-soft.com> From: Jeff Hammond Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 19:57:19 -0700 Message-ID: To: musl@lists.openwall.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000165f2405a94456f3" Subject: Re: [musl] Posits support under Musl libc? --000000000000165f2405a94456f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ll bet anybody $100 that there will be practically useful quantum computers before there=E2=80=99s a native hardware implementation of POSIT = or UNUM in a widely available general purpose processor (something a normal person can buy). Every trend in the industry right now favors fixed-point or low-precision floating-point for AI. It=E2=80=99s known that one can build fast and accur= ate arbitrary precision from AI widgets (https://arxiv.org/abs/1904.06376) and this, not crazy new formats with which nobody has any serious experience, is the trend that numerical computing is going to exploit in the future. If somebody believes in new floating-point formats, they should release a library for a widely available FPGA and prove out the method on at least a few million lines of numerical code to show the community why they need to throw away decades of numerical software and rewrite a few billion lines of codes in an as yet to be standardized datatype. Jeff --=20 Jeff Hammond jeff.science@gmail.com http://jeffhammond.github.io/ --000000000000165f2405a94456f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99ll bet anybody $100 that there will be pra= ctically useful quantum computers before there=E2=80=99s a native hardware = implementation of POSIT or UNUM in a widely available general purpose proce= ssor (something a normal person can buy).

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Every trend in the industry right now favors fixed-point = or low-precision floating-point for AI. It=E2=80=99s known that one can bui= ld fast and accurate arbitrary precision from AI widgets (https://arxiv.org/abs/1904.06376) and this,= not crazy new formats with which nobody has any serious experience, is the= trend that numerical computing is going to exploit in the future.

If somebody believes in new floa= ting-point formats, they should release a library for a widely available FP= GA and prove out the method on at least a few million lines of numerical co= de to show the community why they need to throw away decades of numerical s= oftware and rewrite a few billion lines of codes in an as yet to be standar= dized datatype.

Jeff
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Jeff Hammond
jeff.science@gmail.com
http://jeffhammond.github.io/
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