From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 23228 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2020 17:05:13 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (mother.openwall.net: domain of lists.openwall.com designates 195.42.179.200 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=195.42.179.200 envelope-from= Received: from unknown (HELO mother.openwall.net) (195.42.179.200) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTP; 14 Mar 2020 17:05:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 20447 invoked by uid 550); 14 Mar 2020 17:05:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-ID: Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com Received: (qmail 30579 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2020 16:02:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MN5kJ1uYX4qIk08Xr8FKmYR8BMNWntsulg86z7B71OQ=; b=f7A4QmyOSBQU09L03CuXY81CGCnVt7LeG+yir0jmBScjLYLQHXSSmEhLzhKLrMbtdg II0vwncAwA5pRte0W7Z6xCzHt7zBeVZ+EHAeLvYpZh4EC+ccSQropBaTBAprEcHa1jQW 1ULX6WhY3VzbMRbIGMTstsTWBiIeIdodvdJpXIbEbFRjr2gs1uArY2UtXeK8r4Toteq9 TrlKsIcmlvZIhe9nthD/mih4mEghD5Ahj6jpL/InppHc+VJ0bA0DdRqNQaHfO2ntbKCr 88MZKNzzG1rSJvFoWVLPHLxq2dbc4gYGsV6MBu4JYo28hYAoeWgq/sYaDiiz3cqNzHoN 8iJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MN5kJ1uYX4qIk08Xr8FKmYR8BMNWntsulg86z7B71OQ=; b=ioiZRa3j5QapgKUUzHP48W1YlKLWHFzZTSzGf9CAGLRsSk61YoZWOOo/eNAJfulv3M PtF2K1fxNMFZcEGdoiNJkF6b8T+rvwv+N57XZl6J+EqZmjcprFNMyBObVogZTnlnXiX8 8kW7LFGjmOxLOoHFeA2kZmqe9oTtV4IJR8YAjQkMXMATAvYIrHzFl9yPELFzX39QvgOO KT7CiLHmUG0bdZLFfo3NwFydIktH0+n0HmcoR0JNhlOPGAzD3u6bd+4Q72+1n22gnKHA ++F8MTAaylJt/1Q6Lu2cUc0bIaGiR2+wP8lnQRYcdhz3vPTCvoylD2y0ljE++yBJ4kj0 vQjw== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ0Nay6sliMrpCqi2rWkn0vLoU9eUXfdyYowe3W14s8n2xQflyDw xZNBr7D4iaFOe7SPMGo5j+AbFqg1Fr4h58zwM8fMGw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vtJb2Qbs+OF58pEcbgFv2bnQEV0hIedI1LQm8zHoItZ7p/m1XKHuc9SjNtIlHPoYzYAiKojf1xjxaIaq2Mn2Bc= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:a9d2:: with SMTP id s201mr8247820vke.92.1584201762533; Sat, 14 Mar 2020 09:02:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Peregrine Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 17:02:42 +0100 Message-ID: To: musl@lists.openwall.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: [musl] Advocating musl to the chromium OS developers I started a thread at the Chromium OS google groups (called Chromium OS: compile using musl as default ): https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/chromium-os-dev/iiDRh42EmvE I think that it would benefit the Chromium OS, but they need to be convinced more and want more proof (see reply by Kevin). I pointed them to the musl vs glibc comparison table (http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html ) but Mike said: "the bloat comparison on the musl site is largely irrelevant to us. it's interesting to embedded people, and to people making comparison charts, but we could not care less about things like "Smallest static C program" or "Static hello (using printf)". we don't use static programs, nor will we ever have any program *not* using a large set of C library functionality. plus, as Julius points out, the performance comparison on that site already shows that glibc is generally better than musl. The idea why it would be important to get them switched to musl is because Google is behind Chromium OS and they also develop the Chromium web browser (and the Chromium browser is in Chromium too I believe). So, if Chromium OS changes to musl, they'll need to provide far better support for musl in chromium browser too. Also, having google developers help out on musl support in the other programs used by Chromium OS is always a big benefit too. So, if anyone has any good arguments, go ahead and post them at the google groups thread (you however do need a google account to post).