Thank you Rich. I misunderstood what was done by the kernel and what was done by the library. I assumed the waiters bit was just for the library and assumed the FUTEX_OWNER_DIED was a flag, not value. To clarify my use case and slightly correct the XY problem, I'm trying to build an extended mutex using either a combination of musl mutexes and musl condition variables, or futexes. My extended mutex is a "deadman switch" of sorts that tracks lifetime of on-device services. It doesn't need to be super performant, since services don't come up and down too frequently. My mutex is similar to a robust process-shared mutex. It supports standard functionality: lock, trylock, timedlock, unlock It supports waiting for the mutex to lock without locking: wait_locked, timedwait_locked It supports waiting for the mutex to unlock: wait_unlocked, timedwait_unlocked (wait_locked returns a unique token that is passed to wait_unlocked to ensure the same service is tracked) And the most annoying requirement is that my mutex must be cancelable. I previously tried making the lock function use a condition variable in order for it to be cancelable, but I couldn't find a way to wake it when the owning process dies. Now, I'm exploring using futex directly. Suggestions for how to write cancelable mutex would be much appreciated :) Thanks again! On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 5:25 AM Rich Felker wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 07:56:17PM -0400, Rich Felker wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 04:46:23PM -0700, Leonid Shamis wrote: > > > Hey Musl Folks, > > > > > > I'm trying to understand the futex robust list and it's not quite working > > > how I would expect it to from a reading of the man pages. > > > > > > In a minimal example, I'm getting the futex changed to FUTEX_OWNER_DIED > > > instead of FUTEX_OWNER_DIED|tid and I'm not getting a FUTEX_WAKE event. > > > Any idea why this might be? > > > > > > Happy to share the minimal example. > > > > Can you clarify if you're trying to use robust mutexes under musl or > > roll your own thing using the kernel robust list directly? I don't > > think I'm understanding what you're confused about. If the owner of a > > robust mutex dies, its tid can no longer be in the futex word because > > that tid is immediately available to be assigned to a new task, and > > the next thread trying to lock the mutex would not be able to > > distinguish whether it's owned by a new thread with that tid, or > > available. > > > > So as far as the kernel is concerned, FUTEX_OWNER_DIED is more of a > > value than a flag. It's what the futex word gets set to when the owner > > dies with it held. In musl, we use FUTEX_OWNER_DIED as a flag as well > > for a robust mutex whose old owner died and who has a new owner but > > hasn't yet called pthread_mutex_consistent (in which case it would > > become unrecoverable on unlock). > > Also: you only get the FUTEX_WAIT if the waiters but (bit 31) was set > when the owner died.