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From: enh <enh@google.com>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Cc: jvoisin <julien.voisin@dustri.org>
Subject: Re: [musl] Protect pthreads' mutexes against use-after-destroy
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 15:27:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJgzZor+pP=R+so2ifoN4v7mYbmotL0+uL1m67FvKMKJ8rr9hQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240109190726.GO4163@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 11:07 AM Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 09, 2024 at 03:37:17PM +0100, jvoisin wrote:
> > Ohai,
> >
> > as discussed on irc, Android's bionic has a check to prevent
> > use-after-destroy on phtread mutexes
> > (https://github.com/LineageOS/android_bionic/blob/e0aac7df6f58138dae903b5d456c947a3f8092ea/libc/bionic/pthread_mutex.cpp#L803),
> > and musl doesn't.
> >
> > While odds are that this is a super-duper common bug, it would still be
> > nice to have this kind of protection, since it's cheap, and would
> > prevent/make it easy to diagnose weird states.
> >
> > Is this something that should/could be implemented?
> >
> > o/
>
> I think you meant that the odds are it's not common.

it was common enough (and hard enough to debug) that we added this
"best effort" error detection to bionic :-)

(the other "surely no-one actually does that?" mistake i can think of
in this area is that a surprising number of people seem to think that
`pthread_mutex_lock(NULL)` means something. i'm still not sure _what_
they think it means!)

> There's already
> enough complexity in the code paths for supporting all the different
> mutex types that my leaning would be, if we do any hardening for
> use-after-destroy, that it should probably just take the form of
> putting the object in a state that will naturally deadlock or error
> rather than adding extra checks to every path where it's used.

yeah, the _other_ reason we have the abort is that we've struggled
over the years to make it clear to the _callers_ that -- just because
you crash/hang in libc -- it's the _caller's_ bug. explicitly saying
so helps. (though we still get a decent number of people who don't
read/don't understand.)

> If OTOH we do want it to actually trap in all cases where it's used
> after destroy, the simplest way to achieve that is probably to set it
> up as a non-robust non-PI recursive or errorchecking mutex with
> invalid prev/next pointers and owner of 0x3fffffff. Then the only
> place that would actually have to have an explicit trap is trylock in
> the code path:
>
>         if (own == 0x3fffffff) return ENOTRECOVERABLE;
>
> where it could trap if type isn't robust. The unlock code path would
> trap on accessing invalid prev/next pointers.
>
> Rich

  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-09 23:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-09 14:37 jvoisin
2024-01-09 19:07 ` Rich Felker
2024-01-09 23:27   ` enh [this message]
2024-01-10  1:58     ` Rich Felker
2024-01-12 16:53       ` enh
2024-01-10  1:55   ` Rich Felker
2024-01-10 21:24     ` Rich Felker
2024-01-21  3:43   ` Rich Felker
2024-01-21 12:06     ` julien.voisin
2024-01-21 17:03       ` Rich Felker

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