From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/3639 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Justin Cormack Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: Fwd: OIN Notice - Definition Update [license@openinventionnetwork.com] Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 17:18:46 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1373607079.27613.50@driftwood> <1373607147.27613.51@driftwood> <20130712143457.GA87701@intma.in> <20130712155339.GB29800@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0117795b8289f204e152dd1d X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373645938 14056 80.91.229.3 (12 Jul 2013 16:18:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:18:58 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-3643-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Fri Jul 12 18:19:01 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxg3f-0004J1-I7 for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:18:59 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 29857 invoked by uid 550); 12 Jul 2013 16:18:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 29845 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2013 16:18:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=specialbusservice.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qbMXvysArXlLP7QaiGP1b5Kfw58VtRnYtl4L6zQmaxA=; b=UF/Uvmcb2qycdcGgGpiKdBTdhl0IePJbf/8fq6Zc0sKfS6ihu3tkP3Ww1NuFcdPcgn UMDlqz/qAFDmG2CrqHBuSNvusA8x/FLpI37RoPJ6RMYser3T6W32nKo8hTkOg+izOv+c 0qsIXSoT2fAt7xzuTbLs9EatsdoQpzvHioEck= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=qbMXvysArXlLP7QaiGP1b5Kfw58VtRnYtl4L6zQmaxA=; b=Rt/h72ngZ+HuzY2iY2DTSgv6qwEZBuOLbdj2EwXgjRgcoR9yc6hi/m2HymPiI4R7Ug KMiPiUkz0vgtrzICWdFUroV6qwRbNu0Xy/srCzfNYyv+le918dTweFWbYXjyKLLOXv3I 0sq9maZUkUR66sA8lK1DaDGKr8/Nv4AtjI5fQc4rxuGNSET22BhtAUtHLRYwNc7c+6TY vBRdUE1227BhxSGU+zpYyCsJUjGrhA6iInHwDRq11qUB96wxbA39ZE7Fec74Vhq5uzB5 NMVvMoC3ds9rXcuefRQEYHm/g1kekd51w2JYIxP/zDpsCzWQuAvc0I7TWHMcAqEGu5nF r5Mw== X-Received: by 10.60.79.3 with SMTP id f3mr36329287oex.50.1373645926711; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 09:18:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130712155339.GB29800@brightrain.aerifal.cx> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm+hE7vtLazqFE5pQhsVjATyAa1YpHa2G+HQH4yLMyM/fAUW0G5ZFzhgjEk+Ze9R0K0zZWH Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:3639 Archived-At: --089e0117795b8289f204e152dd1d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 12 Jul 2013 16:53, "Rich Felker" wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:34:57AM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:32:27AM -0500, Rob Landley wrote: > > > If you were looking for a list of packages to test musl against before > > > 1.0, the Open Invention Network seems to have come up with a list of > > > 593 packages they define as "The Linux System". > > > > This list looks like something a crazy person put together. It's > > basically everything available in OpenSUSE plus the android SDK. There > > is garbage in here like mono and mod_ruby. > > Indeed, this sounds like nothing but "Pointy Hair Linux" conformance, > which I think we can do without. Trying to meet these requirements is > akin to ISO C adding Annex K and other junk to make Microsoft happy. > They knew there was no hope of Microsoft actually adopting the C > standard, so why even bother trying to make them happy? Similarly, > "Pointy Hair Linux" is not adopting musl anytime soon, so worrying > about conforming to their silly requirements seems like a waste of > time and energy... > > Rich Its not a standard, its a list of things that are broadly "Linux" in terms of the point of the group which is an anti patent pool... Justin --089e0117795b8289f204e152dd1d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 12 Jul 2013 16:53, "Rich Felker" <dalias@aerifal.cx> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:34:57AM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:32:27AM -0500, Rob Landley wrote:
> > > If you were looking for a list of packages to test musl agai= nst before
> > > 1.0, the Open Invention Network seems to have come up with a= list of
> > > 593 packages they define as "The Linux System". > >
> > This list looks like something a crazy person put together. =C2= =A0It's
> > basically everything available in OpenSUSE plus the android SDK. = =C2=A0There
> > is garbage in here like mono and mod_ruby.
>
> Indeed, this sounds like nothing but "Pointy Hair Linux" con= formance,
> which I think we can do without. Trying to meet these requirements is<= br> > akin to ISO C adding Annex K and other junk to make Microsoft happy. > They knew there was no hope of Microsoft actually adopting the C
> standard, so why even bother trying to make them happy? Similarly,
> "Pointy Hair Linux" is not adopting musl anytime soon, so wo= rrying
> about conforming to their silly requirements seems like a waste of
> time and energy...
>
> Rich

Its not a standard, its a list of things that are broadly &q= uot;Linux" in terms of the point of the group which is an anti patent = pool...

Justin

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