From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.lib.musl.general/3207 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Justin Cormack Newsgroups: gmane.linux.lib.musl.general Subject: Re: High-priority library replacements? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:57:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20130425041553.GA13951@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20130425125121.GN20323@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <51795F26.6070805@eservices.virginia.edu> Reply-To: musl@lists.openwall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10c803fefa3404db325189 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366909093 26342 80.91.229.3 (25 Apr 2013 16:58:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:58:13 +0000 (UTC) To: musl@lists.openwall.com Original-X-From: musl-return-3211-gllmg-musl=m.gmane.org@lists.openwall.com Thu Apr 25 18:58:17 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]) by plane.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UVPUo-0005s5-MW for gllmg-musl@plane.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:58:10 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 24574 invoked by uid 550); 25 Apr 2013 16:58:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact musl-help@lists.openwall.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 24565 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2013 16:58:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=specialbusservice.com; s=google; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FocwMv/jW1q6nbI0XmSrL8QV9Yf4h+Z51aXubaGpCOY=; b=krdT9i8HVFKjDbqt2iTCZ9aUx+nr1lEfRvz45CHCy31djVFjeRiS8n8NHXnaG4L+zJ LIZW9CcsXNf+i66JBo6+mwOviD7Sxtbm5vyAkFJ/bcfUcTu3nSF2r2JN26ssJg8WxA1T yiGUZhlBPJJXKEs4iTaMuZHlgtilZlIWV5/lA= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=FocwMv/jW1q6nbI0XmSrL8QV9Yf4h+Z51aXubaGpCOY=; b=Mef02u1lAWQHcFXtQFjfrmZur/Iclh+xZYq3+iTrt7Kp7YODTJPBQ+qRl3lsZFZFal SXMocrr32to+nPj4SbrzzYx/1ep32ajFBjexh18MvubSzhOFtiXPgUz/mkWjHWv7FMgx 4mZrIBRoc7yHKq0YAvUzgoH55qzYGdnA2hSrHYp1sJq3fxhl8xtCx1gFba9PMooMfBic sesbkOG1t+f3wVc27QRlOHJX8LM3GsgM6i/kzyHpXEBG6NEGDLo68gjTb40TYDOUOWsX FMu9SZm6EiMpG5c6krEIxpuf5CgWzrobSe9cnNiwsLIoe2AvHEkn1XhlTAtTr9WyGQXA Hm4g== X-Received: by 10.68.180.132 with SMTP id do4mr54571931pbc.96.1366909077349; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:57:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51795F26.6070805@eservices.virginia.edu> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkiouMzppqv8ZyelA2VuA6YmnUxgMZOn0XzEpcGrkUz1HTa3jjEGu96XmY5TSJZ+n3A523o Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.lib.musl.general:3207 Archived-At: --047d7b10c803fefa3404db325189 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 25 Apr 2013 17:52, "Zvi Gilboa" wrote: > > On 04/25/2013 08:51 AM, Rich Felker wrote: >> >> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 07:44:39AM -0400, LM wrote: >>> >>> incompatible licenses. The openssl library can't be used with a GNU >>> program unless there's a waiver for it because one of the clauses in the >>> openssl license goes against the GNU license principles. The gnutls >> >> Not _used_ but _distributed_. The GPL does not restrict use >> whatsoever (and takes the position that it legally can't do so) so >> it's fine to use OpenSSL with GPL programs as long as you don't >> distribute the resulting binary. This is of course a problem for >> package maintainers/distributions, and distributing both openssl and >> the GNU program and a script to link them together might even be seen >> as an infringing activity. > > > What about explicitly loading the library at run-time using uselib(2) in a plug-in like fashion? Is that also considered problematic from a GNU perspective? There is some disagreement about this and it depends what you distribute. See here http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/548216/731f7ad0abe52f40/ Justin --047d7b10c803fefa3404db325189 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 25 Apr 2013 17:52, "Zvi Gilboa" <zg7s@eservices.virginia.edu> wrote:
>
> On 04/25/2013 08:51 AM, Rich Felker wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 07:44:39AM -0400, LM wrote:
>>>
>>> incompatible licenses.=C2=A0 The openssl library can't be = used with a GNU
>>> program unless there's a waiver for it because one of the = clauses in the
>>> openssl license goes against the GNU license principles.=C2=A0= The gnutls
>>
>> Not _used_ but _distributed_. The GPL does not restrict use
>> whatsoever (and takes the position that it legally can't do so= ) so
>> it's fine to use OpenSSL with GPL programs as long as you don&= #39;t
>> distribute the resulting binary. This is of course a problem for >> package maintainers/distributions, and distributing both openssl a= nd
>> the GNU program and a script to link them together might even be s= een
>> as an infringing activity.
>
>
> What about explicitly loading the library at run-time using uselib(2) = in a plug-in like fashion?=C2=A0 Is that also considered problematic from a= GNU perspective?

There is some disagreement about this and it depends what yo= u distribute. See here http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/548216/731f7ad0abe52f40/

Justin

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