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From: Christopher Lane <lanechr@gmail.com>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
Cc: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Proposed COPYRIGHT file changes to resolve "PD" issue
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:57:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKFisccRnE7=jcGbzdsAaZDRftD0is9AtU7-SavOPUboNe-dRw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160411041445.GS21636@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

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Rich,

Our lawyers just got back to me: looks good to us.  Thanks so much for all
the time spent on this.

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote:

> After the previous discussions on the list, I spoke with one of
> Google's lawyers on the phone. It's taken me a while to follow up
> after that because I was away at ELC last week, but I think we have a
> good resolution as long as there are no objections.
>
> Where I was coming from was not wanting license crap to be an obstacle
> to adoption of musl (after all, that's why I relicensed from LGPL to
> MIT in the first place) but also not wanting to scrub my/our belief
> that some of these files are non-copyrightable or retroactively claim
> ownership of something we can't own.
>
> Where they were coming from was a context of dealing with courts
> wrongly (this is my opinion I'm injecting here) deeming interfaces to
> be copyrightable, and having to spend ridiculously disproportionate
> effort to determine if the license actually gives them permission to
> use all the code.
>
> While I don't really agree that they actually have cause for concern
> in musl's case, I do agree that the simple fact that the current text
> is causing concern means there's something wrong with it. A license
> should not make you have to stop and think about whether you can
> actually use the software, and certainly shouldn't necessitate 60+
> message mailing list threads.
>
> The proposal we reached on the phone call was that I would try
> improving the previous patch to no longer make a statement about the
> copyrightability of the files in question, but to note that we
> expressed such a belief in the past. No new statement that we _do_
> hold copyright over these files is made, but the grants of permission
> are made unconditionally (i.e. without any conditions like "if these
> files are found to be subject to copyright...").
>
> How does this sound? See the attached patch for the specific wording
> proposed and let me know if you have constructive ideas for improving
> it. On our side, it's really the agreement of the contributors of the
> affected code (I have a draft list of them in the patch) that matters,
> but I'd welcome input from others too. Also, the patch itself has not
> been run by Google's side yet -- I'm doing this all in the open -- so
> there still may be further feedback/input from their side.
>
> Rich
>



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  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-13 19:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-11  4:14 Rich Felker
2016-04-13 19:57 ` Christopher Lane [this message]
2016-04-13 20:35   ` Rich Felker
2016-04-14 14:09     ` Sebastian Gottschall
2016-04-14 17:56     ` George Kulakowski
2016-05-28 11:50       ` Alba Pompeo
2016-05-28 15:45         ` Christopher Lane
2016-05-28 15:58           ` Alba Pompeo
2016-05-29 18:46             ` Christopher Lane

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