From: Christopher Lane <lanechr@gmail.com>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
Cc: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: musl licensing
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 13:35:23 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKFiscf9HVnrxuAhig28_5XQyWW8tDYyV=kiATN+Uvz3HTWtJQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160323023221.GJ21636@brightrain.aerifal.cx>
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On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 03:46:18PM -0700, Christopher Lane wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 07:47:21PM +0000, George Kulakowski wrote:
> > > > I wanted to mention another small thing, which is simply to update
> the
> > > > names of some files specifically mentioned in COPYRIGHT. I've
> attached a
> > > > diff.
> > >
> > > Thanks. Applied.
> > >
> > > Rich
> > >
> >
> > Some comments on the proposed COPYRIGHT text...
> >
> > """
> > The implementation of blowfish crypt (src/misc/crypt_blowfish.c) was
> > originally written by Solar Designer and placed into the public
> > domain. The code also comes with a fallback permissive license for use
> > in jurisdictions that may not recognize the public domain.
> > """
> >
> > """
> > The x86_64 port was written by Nicholas J. Kain. Several files (crt)
> > were released into the public domain; others are licensed under the
> > standard MIT license terms at the top of this file. See individual
> > files for their copyright status.
> > """
> >
> > Those paragraphs still reference public domain. We can't use the things
> > mentioned there. WRT the blowfish impl, there are other implementations
> we
> > can pull if we want / need that - though I'm not sure we even do want
> > that.
>
> Did they miss the part about the fallback permissive license? I'm
> pretty sure Solar's implementation of bcrypt (albeit the original, not
> the one he modified for musl) is used in plenty of other places with
> no problem. Complaining about copyright status on this is like
> complaining about fdlibm. If it's really a problem I suspect he would
> be willing to clarify its status for you.
>
I forwarded the comments without delving into this like I should have. I
doubt our lawyers _like_ the copyright status of Solar's implementation of
bcrypt, but it's not a problem to be solved here. And like you said, it's
used in many other places already -- so many, in fact, the status is
probably impossible to clear up at this point. It's also a single file, so
let's not dwell on this any further.
Aside: the path has apparently changed at some point from src/misc to
src/crypt.
>
> > The x86_64 crt files can be cleanroom'ed here (and we'd release
> > those BSD0 when we're done).
>
> I don't understand why they're making a meal of this again. This is
> covered under the code I already said I would contact the contributors
> for clarification on, which I'm happy to do once I get feedback that
> the changes will meet your needs. Is the problem just that I forgot to
> remove this text and replace it with a statement that the port was
> contributed by Nicholas J. Kain under the project's license terms?
Ah, I see the misunderstanding. It was just an oversight. OK, no worries.
> I
> can certainly do that assuming I get the clarification we discussed.
>
> In any case the only original crt files left from this contribution
> are crti/crtn which are literally _single instruction_ functions. The
> idea that they could be subject to copyright (even if some of the
> other things we claimed were PD were more iffy) is utterly absurd.
> (All crt1.s were removed a while back and replaced by the unified C
> version; the new crt_arch.h files they used are mostly original works
> by me.)
>
Now that you've mentioned this, I'm actually looking through git blame
trying to find a file that might fall under this paragraph and I can't.
crt/x86_64/* appears to be wholly contributed by you.
arch/x86_64/crt_arch.h, like you said, was as well. At this point, I
don't know what files the phrase "Several files (crt) were released into
the public domain;" would even refer to. Though I suppose it doesn't
matter since you're replacing the claim anyway.
>
> > The new text is almost OK. The biggest problem is, you shouldn't comment
> > or speculate on the copyrightability of work inside the license file.
> > Doing so could unintentionally alter or restrict the scope of the license
> > you're attempting to apply. Comments should go in the readme file or
> > another separate file. In the words of one of the lawyers here, "the
> > license file should say X is MIT, Y is BSD, Z is BSD-2, goodbye."
>
> This really seems like the most natural place for this content so that
> interested readers have access to it. I'm really trying to work with
> you guys here, and it's frustrating when your lawyers come back with
> complaints about statements of opinion/belief that are clearly
> disjoint from license terms and that explicity state that they are not
> to be interpreted as affecting the license. Other well-known licenses
> (especially the GPL and LGPL) contain statements of belief and similar
> that are not legally binding, even statements of legal theories like
> "You are not required to accept this License..."
>
> If this is still bothering them, would it make them happy to put some
> "end of legal text" marking above that paragraph?
>
I sent them a query this morning; still waiting on a reply. I think this
is the only issue left.
>
> Rich
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2016-03-15 21:59 Petr Hosek
2016-03-15 22:17 ` croco
2016-03-16 16:32 ` Alexander Cherepanov
2016-03-16 22:50 ` Petr Hosek
2016-03-16 22:55 ` Josiah Worcester
2016-03-16 23:46 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17 2:06 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-17 3:04 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17 8:17 ` u-uy74
2016-03-17 15:14 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-17 15:28 ` FRIGN
2016-03-17 15:49 ` Hugues Bruant
2016-03-17 15:57 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17 16:01 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17 23:32 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-18 4:21 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-18 4:47 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-18 18:07 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-18 18:16 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-18 19:12 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-18 19:47 ` George Kulakowski
2016-03-19 4:35 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-21 22:46 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-23 2:32 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-23 20:35 ` Christopher Lane [this message]
2016-03-23 22:53 ` Rob Landley
2016-03-29 17:18 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-29 17:21 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-29 20:03 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-29 20:21 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-30 6:56 ` u-uy74
2016-03-30 14:11 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-30 14:43 ` u-uy74
2016-03-18 8:31 ` u-uy74
2016-03-17 1:26 ` Alexander Cherepanov
2016-03-17 2:20 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-15 22:20 ` Kurt H Maier
2016-03-15 22:20 ` Josiah Worcester
2016-03-15 22:41 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-15 22:49 ` Shiz
2016-03-16 4:54 ` Isaac Dunham
2016-03-16 8:00 ` u-uy74
2016-03-16 10:31 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-16 10:55 ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 12:34 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-16 12:46 ` Anthony J. Bentley
2016-03-16 13:49 ` u-uy74
2016-03-16 14:07 ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 14:01 ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 14:47 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-16 10:22 ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 20:13 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-16 20:19 ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 20:34 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-16 21:11 ` Jens Gustedt
2016-03-16 21:15 ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 21:35 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-16 21:50 ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 21:34 ` John Levine
2016-03-16 21:38 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-17 2:01 ` Ed Maste
2016-03-17 3:19 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17 18:49 ` Ed Maste
2016-03-17 19:16 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17 21:16 ` Wink Saville
2016-03-17 21:25 ` Petr Hosek
2016-03-17 22:56 ` Ruediger Meier
2016-03-17 23:07 ` Anthony J. Bentley
2016-03-17 23:19 ` Kurt H Maier
2016-03-17 23:31 ` Anthony J. Bentley
2016-03-17 23:46 ` Ruediger Meier
2016-03-18 3:30 ` Kurt H Maier
2016-03-18 3:41 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-18 3:55 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-17 21:42 ` Ed Maste
2016-03-17 23:37 ` Luca Barbato
2016-03-18 8:01 ` u-uy74
2016-03-18 12:35 ` chromium with musl libc (was: [musl] musl licensing) Natanael Copa
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