"For us, things are easy. systemd is not meeting a need or doing
anything better than the much simpler, more reliable tools we already
have."

Can you guys maybe point me in the direction of these tools please ?


On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 04:35:25PM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
> > On 23/09/13 16:08, Rob Landley wrote:
> > > systemd is the second coming of devfsd. A lot of us are waiting for it
> > > to blow over.
> >
> > Given the economic and PR support it won't blow over easily if
> > alternatives on par on the PR side won't appear.
> >
> > Keep in mind that pigs can fly just nicely if propelled adequately. The
> > landing could be problematic though.
>
> The problem is that, for the audience it's designed for, systemd is a
> big step up. Previously they were using hideous bash scripts full of
> pidfile races for starting and stopping services, etc.
>
> For us, things are easy. systemd is not meeting a need or doing
> anything better than the much simpler, more reliable tools we already
> have. But unfortunately there's a risk of it getting imposed on people
> who don't need it, and drastically blocking hopes to make the core
> system robust, because it's hard to do better than systemd in its own
> area, and there are commercially-relevant groups who care about that
> area. And of course you have the issue that it's absorbing other
> critical components like udev that everybody needs and making it
> impossible to use them without systemd.
>
> Rich
>