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From: Wink Saville <wink@saville.com>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Cc: Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org>
Subject: Re: musl licensing
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:16:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKk8isq_hnT_h6DcuDdMrokDE6WYU+fham3Mo7Mv7oC9Lj4ztg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160317191640.GA32582@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

As a data point, in android the file copyright header
(https://android.googlesource.com/platform/bionic/+/master/benchmarks/math_benchmark.cpp)
is 13-15 lines long depending on how you want to count it:

/*
* Copyright (C) 2013 The Android Open Source Project
*
* Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the "License");
* you may not use this file except in compliance with the License.
* You may obtain a copy of the License at
*
* http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
*
* Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
* distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
* WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
* See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
* limitations under the License.
*/


On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 02:49:55PM -0400, Ed Maste wrote:
>> On 16 March 2016 at 23:19, Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > What would be the minimal requirement for you not to need to modify
>> > the files? Full license text? Or would something like having the
>> > copyright holders named and "licensed under standard MIT license" or
>> > similar (possibly with a reference of some sort) suffice?
>>
>> I think it depends on context. For example, If we planned to import
>> musl into our contrib/ tree and build it as a standalone entity the
>> current form (with no individual file statements) would be just fine.
>>
>> But in this case, where I hope to combine a few files into our
>> existing libc I'll want the license text in the file as it's
>> consistent with the rest of our libc, and it avoids adding a
>> MIT-LICENSE.txt, MUSL-LICENSE.txt or similar file to the tree.
>
> Indeed, I was thinking more along the lines of whether we're to the
> point that standard licenses could be referenced by name/identifier
> without an in-tree copy.
>
>> > I'm trying to gauge if we should try to make it so you don't need to
>> > modify the files, or if that's not a practical goal while avoiding
>> > massive comment-spam in source files.
>>
>> I don't think it's a practical goal to entirely avoid needing to
>> modify files; I had to do so for a minor header variations or some
>> such anyhow. From my perspective, my order of preference is full
>> authorship + license, authorship + license statement, status quo. I do
>> understand wanting to avoid the full license text though. Do other
>> potential downstream consumers of musl have a preference?
>
> I think our community tends to dislike files which are 20+ lines of
> copyright/license comments followed by <10 lines of code. Whether
> there are situations where the file size makes a practical difference,
> I don't know. One observation: on a standard-size terminal it's likely
> you wouldn't seen _any_ code on the first page with a full-license
> comment header.
>
> Rich


  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-17 21:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-15 21:59 Petr Hosek
2016-03-15 22:17 ` croco
2016-03-16 16:32   ` Alexander Cherepanov
2016-03-16 22:50     ` Petr Hosek
2016-03-16 22:55       ` Josiah Worcester
2016-03-16 23:46       ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17  2:06         ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-17  3:04           ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17  8:17           ` u-uy74
2016-03-17 15:14             ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-17 15:28               ` FRIGN
2016-03-17 15:49                 ` Hugues Bruant
2016-03-17 15:57                   ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17 16:01               ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17 23:32                 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-18  4:21                   ` Rich Felker
2016-03-18  4:47                     ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-18 18:07                       ` Rich Felker
2016-03-18 18:16                     ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-18 19:12                       ` Rich Felker
2016-03-18 19:47                         ` George Kulakowski
2016-03-19  4:35                           ` Rich Felker
2016-03-21 22:46                             ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-23  2:32                               ` Rich Felker
2016-03-23 20:35                                 ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-23 22:53                                   ` Rob Landley
2016-03-29 17:18                                     ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-29 17:21                                   ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-29 20:03                                     ` Rich Felker
2016-03-29 20:21                                       ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-30  6:56                                     ` u-uy74
2016-03-30 14:11                                       ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-30 14:43                                         ` u-uy74
2016-03-18  8:31               ` u-uy74
2016-03-17  1:26       ` Alexander Cherepanov
2016-03-17  2:20         ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-15 22:20 ` Kurt H Maier
2016-03-15 22:20 ` Josiah Worcester
2016-03-15 22:41 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-15 22:49   ` Shiz
2016-03-16  4:54   ` Isaac Dunham
2016-03-16  8:00   ` u-uy74
2016-03-16 10:31   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-16 10:55     ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 12:34       ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-16 12:46         ` Anthony J. Bentley
2016-03-16 13:49           ` u-uy74
2016-03-16 14:07             ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 14:01         ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 14:47           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2016-03-16 10:22 ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 20:13 ` Rich Felker
2016-03-16 20:19   ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 20:34     ` Rich Felker
2016-03-16 21:11       ` Jens Gustedt
2016-03-16 21:15       ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 21:35         ` Rich Felker
2016-03-16 21:50           ` FRIGN
2016-03-16 21:34       ` John Levine
2016-03-16 21:38       ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-17  2:01       ` Ed Maste
2016-03-17  3:19         ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17 18:49           ` Ed Maste
2016-03-17 19:16             ` Rich Felker
2016-03-17 21:16               ` Wink Saville [this message]
2016-03-17 21:25                 ` Petr Hosek
2016-03-17 22:56                   ` Ruediger Meier
2016-03-17 23:07                     ` Anthony J. Bentley
2016-03-17 23:19                       ` Kurt H Maier
2016-03-17 23:31                         ` Anthony J. Bentley
2016-03-17 23:46                           ` Ruediger Meier
2016-03-18  3:30                           ` Kurt H Maier
2016-03-18  3:41                             ` Rich Felker
2016-03-18  3:55                               ` Christopher Lane
2016-03-17 21:42               ` Ed Maste
2016-03-17 23:37               ` Luca Barbato
2016-03-18  8:01             ` u-uy74
2016-03-18 12:35 ` chromium with musl libc (was: [musl] musl licensing) Natanael Copa

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