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From: Gregor Pintar <grpintar@gmail.com>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: High-priority library replacements?
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:11:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOPXC2mtay5vyPUdLbbC3Pp+HQG3WxAH3mtRDZeby2+jfxzVrA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130426005545.GA7923@Caracal>

2013/4/26, idunham@lavabit.com <idunham@lavabit.com>:
> I hate to be the one who says this, but...
> Why another crypto library?
> There are at least 6 I can think of off the top of my head
> (openssl crypto, gcrypt, nettle, tomcrypt, gpg, openbgp)
> and I know that's not even half of them.
> tomcrypt is already good (as Rich mentioned), so code quality isn't
> a reason.
Most of them are realy bad (support only few ciphers, ugly API,
inflexible, license).
tomcrypt is good, but it has some global states (ltc_cipher_descriptor, ...)
and I want even more flexible library (variable rounds, no global state).
I would like API that allows replacing ciphers very easy.
For example: allways use kripto_stream_encrypt(),
if you use any block cipher in any mode or stream cipher directly.
Also my hash API supports variable length output (great for sponge
constructions).

> While writing your own "xyz" may be a good learning experience and fun
> and so on, a crypto library faces some restrictions:
> -You will need to fix bugs promptly until you hand over maintainership.
> (Otherwise, you become responsible when there's a vulnerability that
> stays unfixed.)
Not really a problem for me.
BTW, latest official stable tomcrypt release was released in 2007.

> -You have to finish it.
> Consider the case of gcrypt, which is a GNU project with multiple
> contributors, but still doesn't implement enough to make LDAP over SSL
> work in all cases (I don't know the exact issue, but it's a standing bug
> in Debian.)
I am trying to do it very extensible.

> And you have to write a good API.  When someone else has a library with
> that, you may be better off using it.
That is the hardest. API better than tomcrypts is my goal.
I also plan stable ABI.

> What Rich asked about was an SSL lib based on an existing crypto lib,
> namely tomcrypt. And that is likely to be a quicker path to results.
tomcrypt is definitely quicker path.

>> I think best way is not to trust any certificate authority.
>> Maybe some certificate p2p protocol could be done?
>
> Not really an option for regular SSL, I'm afraid.
> (just due to the standards, and the need for getting it going...)
> But something along the lines of OpenBGP (I think that's the name; it's
> a BSD-licensed PGP library) would be one place to start if you wanted
> that.
> It would be interesting if the library transparently handles both SSL
> and something along those lines, so someone gets the certificate p2p
> stuff for free by using the library.
I know, it was more like an long-term idea.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-26  8:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-25  4:15 Rich Felker
2013-04-25  5:05 ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-25  5:21   ` Rich Felker
2013-04-25  5:55 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-04-25  7:34   ` Jens Staal
2013-04-25 12:18     ` Rich Felker
2013-04-25 13:54     ` Kurt H Maier
2013-04-25  6:43 ` Gregor Pintar
2013-04-26  0:55   ` idunham
2013-04-26  1:11     ` crypto libraries idunham
2013-04-26  7:51       ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-04-26  1:51     ` High-priority library replacements? Rich Felker
2013-04-26  8:11     ` Gregor Pintar [this message]
2013-04-26 15:47       ` Rich Felker
2013-04-26 17:24         ` Gregor Pintar
2013-04-28 21:43         ` Rob Landley
2013-04-29 10:16       ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-04-29 12:09         ` Rich Felker
2013-04-29 17:35         ` Gregor Pintar
2013-04-29 21:55           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-04-30  2:10             ` Rich Felker
2013-04-30  6:32               ` Gregor Pintar
2013-04-30  8:35                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-04-30  9:58                   ` Gregor Pintar
2013-04-30 11:30                     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2013-04-30 14:11                       ` Gregor Pintar
2013-05-01  7:26                     ` Gregor Pintar
2013-05-08 21:37                       ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-05-08 23:00                         ` idunham
2013-05-09  7:36                           ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-05-09  9:03                             ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-05-09 11:10                             ` LM
2013-05-09 14:08                             ` Rich Felker
2013-05-09 14:40                               ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-05-09 14:45                                 ` Rich Felker
2013-05-12 22:42                                   ` Brad Conroy
2013-05-15 20:17                                     ` Rich Felker
2013-05-16 16:12                                       ` Justin Cormack
2013-05-17  1:56                                         ` Rich Felker
2013-05-17  7:28                                           ` Justin Cormack
2013-05-09 16:40                                 ` LM
2013-04-30 18:47   ` Nicolas Braud-Santoni
2013-04-30 19:18     ` Gregor Pintar
2013-05-26 20:09   ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-05-27 15:53     ` Gregor Pintar
2013-05-28  9:27       ` Daniel Cegiełka
2013-05-28 17:30         ` Gregor Pintar
2013-05-28 13:11     ` LM
2013-05-28 21:38       ` Rob Landley
2013-05-31 11:13         ` LM
2013-05-31 11:36           ` LM
2013-04-25  7:21 ` Hal Clark
2013-04-25 10:58   ` Igmar Palsenberg
2013-04-25 12:28   ` Rich Felker
2013-04-25 11:44 ` LM
2013-04-25 12:51   ` Rich Felker
2013-04-25 15:30     ` Jens Staal
2013-04-25 16:51     ` Zvi Gilboa
2013-04-25 16:57       ` Justin Cormack
2013-04-25 17:53         ` Zvi Gilboa
2013-04-27  5:45           ` Rob Landley
2013-04-27  8:13             ` Luca Barbato
2013-04-27 13:05             ` Zvi Gilboa
2013-04-26  6:11       ` Igmar Palsenberg
2013-04-28 21:34         ` Licensing Rob Landley
2013-04-29 20:47           ` Licensing Rich Felker
2013-04-29 21:10             ` Licensing Jens Gustedt
2013-04-29 22:47               ` Licensing Kurt H Maier
2013-04-29 22:50             ` Licensing Rob Landley
2013-04-30 12:32           ` Licensing LM
2013-04-26  4:19 ` High-priority library replacements? Isaac Dunham
2013-04-26 11:41   ` LM
2013-04-26 12:57     ` Muhammad Sumyandityo Noor
2013-04-26 15:53       ` Rich Felker
2013-04-28  6:53         ` Muhammad Sumyandityo Noor
2013-04-28 17:46           ` Rich Felker
2013-04-26 16:52       ` LM
2013-04-26  4:32 ` nwmcsween
2013-04-29  5:51 Brad Conroy
2013-04-29 16:38 ` John Spencer
2013-04-29 20:14   ` Rob Landley
2013-04-29 20:53     ` Rich Felker
2013-04-30  1:53       ` idunham
2013-04-30  2:21         ` Rich Felker

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