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From: Tim Hockin <thockin@google.com>
To: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Re: Would love to see reconsideration for domain and search
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:33:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAO_RewYQWuOUwKVNjX_j_S2-khuP9Z7XRZGcff=XKZXvoBtzeg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151023052625.GD55813@wopr.sciops.net>

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On Oct 24, 2015 12:20 PM, "Kurt H Maier" <khm@sdf.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 02:24:11PM -0700, Tim Hockin wrote:
> >
> > I understand your point, though the world at large tends to disagree.
>
> The world at large uses bad software.  Please don't use this sort of
> reasoning as a justification for and embrace-extend operation on actual
> standards.

Where is the standard that defines ordering semantics in resolv.conf?

> > The real world is not ideal.  Not all nameservers are identically
> > scoped - you MUST respect the ordering in resolv.conf - to do
> > otherwise is semantically broken.  If implementation simplicity means
> > literally doing queries in serial, then that is what you should do.
>
> You absolutely cannot respect the ordering in resolv.conf; at least not
> if you're relying on someone else's resolver.  If the orchestration
> software depends on specific results being returned in particular
> orders, the orchestration software should provide a mechanism to
> generate them.
>
> > Similarly, you can't just search all search domains in parallel and
> > take the first response.  The ordering is meaningful.
>
> It should not be, and more to the point will not reliably be,
> meaningful.

Search has to be ordered.  You can not possibly argue otherwise?

> You are arguing for introducing performance penalties into musl that do
> not affect you but do very much affect lots of other users.  I hope they
> do not happen -- musl is not the right place to fix your problem.

I am arguing for adding a very standard feature (search) to open musl to a
whole new space of users. Nobody is forcing you to use search paths or
ndots.

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-24 21:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-22 21:24 Tim Hockin
2015-10-22 21:56 ` Rich Felker
2015-10-22 22:36   ` Tim Hockin
2015-10-22 23:00     ` Josiah Worcester
2015-10-22 23:37       ` Tim Hockin
2015-10-23  4:27         ` Rich Felker
2015-10-23  5:13           ` Tim Hockin
2015-10-23  5:31             ` Rich Felker
2015-10-23  5:37               ` Tim Hockin
2015-10-23  6:00                 ` Rich Felker
2015-10-23  6:04                   ` Tim Hockin
2016-01-29  0:57                 ` Rich Felker
2015-10-27  0:30               ` Rich Felker
2015-10-27  0:37                 ` Tim Hockin
2015-10-27  0:45                   ` Rich Felker
2015-10-27  8:11                 ` u-uy74
2015-11-28 22:48                 ` Jan Broer
2015-11-28 23:20                   ` Rich Felker
2015-11-29  3:06                     ` Jan Broer
2016-01-29  0:58                   ` Rich Felker
2015-10-26  2:14           ` Re: Would not " John Levine
2015-10-26  5:14             ` Tim Hockin
2015-10-26 16:16               ` Rich Felker
2015-10-26 17:41                 ` John Levine
2015-10-26 18:08                   ` Rich Felker
2015-10-23  8:12       ` Re: Would " u-uy74
2015-10-23  9:35         ` Laurent Bercot
2015-10-23 12:23           ` Laurent Bercot
2015-10-23 15:57           ` Tim Hockin
2015-10-23  5:26 ` Kurt H Maier
2015-10-24 21:33   ` Tim Hockin [this message]
2015-10-24 21:57     ` Kurt H Maier
2015-10-24 23:31       ` Rich Felker
2015-10-24 22:02     ` Rich Felker
2015-10-24 22:32       ` Tim Hockin
2015-10-25  8:20       ` u-uy74
2015-10-25 13:06       ` Jan Broer
2015-10-25 13:19         ` u-uy74
2015-10-25 13:39           ` Jan Broer
2015-10-25 14:08             ` u-uy74
2015-10-25 19:08         ` Rich Felker
2015-10-26  1:26       ` Isaac Dunham
2015-10-26 15:35         ` Rich Felker
2015-10-23 15:30 Jan Broer

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